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Le Saint Philippe 1693 after Jean-Claude Lemineur (Ancre) in scale 1:48

Back from vacation...

The question has been raised as to why my frames are not perpendicular to the keel. The short answer is that Mr. Lemineur has taken the position that the frames tip forward slightly (I have estimated this tip to be in the range of 1.2 - 1.3 degrees). Here are a few pictures showing the drawing with a square edge lined up with the keel...

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For my part (right or wrong) I have chosen to follow the drawings.

On the French forum there is a rather extensive conversation about this unexpected/unconventional design. Not everyone is a fan (to say the least).
 
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Sneakily starting a build log. I saw at Maarten's build a question about how he had done something. I'm thinking wouldn't it? Yup and what a build, without a kit but from a drawing and with a stack of planks. Which he says he cut to size himself. All I saw was a few sawn half sections and then a pile of nice planks. Nowhere sawdust to be seen. :cool: Anyway. Welcome back from your vacation and good luck with this fine project. Which is going to be totally awesome from what I've seen so far.
 
Steef66 said:
Sneakily starting a build log. I saw at Maarten's build a question about how he had done something. I'm thinking wouldn't it? Yup and what a build, without a kit but from a drawing and with a stack of planks. Which he says he cut to size himself. All I saw was a few sawn half sections and then a pile of nice planks. Nowhere sawdust to be seen. :cool: Anyway. Welcome back from your vacation and good luck with this fine project. Which is going to be totally awesome from what I've seen so far.
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I was hiding from you ROTF.

There has been plenty of sawdust :). Plus, there's a new rule at our house: we will not 'sneak up on / surprise' the carpenter while he is using the table saw, thickness planer, etc. with taps on the back (or yelling over the sound of a running machine) for the purpose of nonessential notifications ("I'm running to the store") :rolleyes:.
 
dockattner said:
My apologies to those visiting this build report expecting to see a build report of a model ship. Life is pressing itself into hobby time right now - look for something interesting after a short break.
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I saw boats. Was there a problem?

And for the record, more people with smiles than with fish. Carry on…
 
dockattner said:
I was hiding from you ROTF.

There has been plenty of sawdust :). Plus, there's a new rule at our house: we will not 'sneak up on / surprise' the carpenter while he is using the table saw, thickness planer, etc. with taps on the back (or yelling over the sound of a running machine) for the purpose of nonessential notifications ("I'm running to the store") :rolleyes:.
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I told my wife that if I'm using a power tool and she needs something, she has to wait until I'm done and turn off the tool and take off my hearing protection before she says anything or touches me. :)
I think it's a very serious matter of safety.
 
dockattner said:
Nuremberg
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Not far from free vlaai...

Corsair said:
I told my wife that if I'm using a power tool and she needs something, she has to wait until I'm done and turn off the tool and take off my hearing protection before she says anything or touches me. :)
I think it's a very serious matter of safety.
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I lock the door. Get me out my concentration when reading something is dangerous too.
 
The main problem with this keel slope/tilt/drag and Lemineur's drawings is not in the sole fact of the slope presence, but in ultimate complexity of consequent drawings interpretation. It's absolutely unclear how to interpret all the sections in the monograph and how they are constructed. Are all the vertical cross sections of the hull (including theoretical - M, I, II and so on) perpendicular to the keel or to the theoretical waterline? Are all the horizontal cross sections parallel to the keel or perpendicular to the frames? From the first plate it feels that the theoretical frames (M.G.Av, IAv and so on) are parallel to the frames, and waterlines (1,2,3 and so on) are parallel to the keel, which means there's an angle between theoretical waterlines and theoretical frames - the main lines of the ship draught (!!). However it is, it's still unclear, how for example all the deck views are done - looking straight on the keel (that means these are sections taken parallel to the keel and not parallel to the frames) or looking along the frames (that means these are sections taken perpendicular to the frames). Monsieur Lemineur didn't bother to provide just any explanations. Together with lots of mistakes and inconsistencies between the plates, the drawings are almost impossible to interpret in any sort of proper way. I'm not judjing the fact of frames tilted to the keel, let it be, but for God's sake, please explain to people how they should read your drawings!
 
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The main problem with this keel slope/tilt/drag and Lemineur's drawings is not in the sole fact of the slope presence, but in ultimate complexity of consequent drawings interpretation. It's absolutely unclear how to interpret all the sections in the monograph and how they are constructed. Are all the vertical cross sections of the hull (including theoretical - M, I, II and so on) perpendicular to the keel or to the theoretical waterline? Are all the horizontal cross sections parallel to the keel or perpendicular to the frames? From the first plate it feels that the theoretical frames (M.G.Av, IAv and so on) are parallel to the frames, and waterlines (1,2,3 and so on) are parallel to the keel, which means there's an angle between theoretical waterlines and theoretical frames - the main lines of the ship draught (!!). However it is, it's still unclear, how for example all the deck views are done - looking straight on the keel (that means these are sections taken parallel to the keel and not parallel to the frames) or looking along the frames (that means these are sections taken perpendicular to the frames). Monsieur Lemineur didn't bother to provide just any explanations. Together with lots of mistakes and inconsistencies between the plates, the drawings are almost impossible to interpret in any sort of proper way. I'm not judjing the fact of frames tilted to the keel, let it be, but for God's sake, please explain to people how they should read your drawings!
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Well, Oleg, you have managed to describe rather elegantly (even colorfully) the issues I have been having. Now imagine if this was your first scratch build and only your third ship model :rolleyes:. Anyway, I experienced a sense of 'he sees me' from your post, and for that I am grateful. Onward!

Here is a link to Oleg's attempt at the SP if you have not seen it (a modified POB model):

Saint Philippe 1693 by OlegM

A new journey begins... First of all I rearranged my workshop and did a slight upgrade. I bought a case for my laser to help preventing the spread of smoke and smell, and built a case for my cnc machine to keep the wood dust inside. As a bonus it also slightly reduces the noise
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