Here is a link to Krystal Klear that I was talking about, so you don't have to go look for it. 
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L'Orenoque Mamoli 1:100 scale
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I think it’s pretty much the same as the Testors stuff
Future floor polish also works well for that. I use it a lot with plastic modelsJeff! Thank you! I'll check it out. All I'm looking to do on this build is give the impression of glass. There's noting to see behind the glass except for a bunch of wood and glue
Blessings.
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Jeff! Thank you for doing the legwork!Here is a link to Krystal Klear that I was talking about, so you don't have to go look for it.
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Blessings.
Chuck
True storyDamn! That hull looks great!
I’m with the others: that’s a fine looking hull. Great maturity in holding off on oiling the progress to date. Plus, at the pace you work, you risked a spontaneous combustion event.
A lot off measuring and it is all lining up very well, Chuck.What about the guns on the main deck? We'll know soon enough my dears
I was a bit concerned about cutting the main deck gun ports. I did it figuring that the guns, courtesy of Todd's Small 3d Print Cannon Foundary, would probably fit as per plan. And since I hadn't oiled or painted anything, I could add back any necessary wood to make things look right. Never the less, I put the Dahlgren in place to confirm my beliefs. I think everything will work out just dandy! Notice that the Dahlgren seems even more overscale.
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Between the blue lines is the line for the "wood" colored strip that I am using to replace the white that should be painted there. Of course the wood strip will folow the curves better than the computer generated lines.
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Regards, Peter
is that stuff still around? I used to use that for removing scratches in clear plastic parts on models.
I have two big bottles I acquired several years ago—it goes a long way. I also use it for clear-coating acrylic paint. I think it is still around, but under a different trade name.is that stuff still around? I used to use that for removing scratches in clear plastic parts on models.
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What ho, shipmates!
The guns are here!!!! Thought I'd share that news and the first installation of thanks to Todd's Small 3d Print Cannon Foundary!!! Pictures to come much later.
First questions go to constructing the head.
Preface: One of the aspects of my long term building projects is seeing how hull design changed. I can tell that L'Orenoque retains many charachteristics of her sisters from the age of sail. The stern, for example is much like the sterns of ships from the age of sail with the odd complexity of curves, particularly compared to the relatively straight forward stern of Harriet Lane. A lot of fairing at steep angles. Comparing the two ships (as models) it also seems that Harriet Lane has a much flatter bottom and the majority of the hull below the water line is "u" shaped with very little "v" shape. Much more "v" shape than "u" shape on L'Orenoque.
I imagine that the design that makes L'Orenoque much more like ships before steam, influenced the construction of the head. Below is her head from the original plans. Look at the curving blue arrows. I put them there because it occurred to me that that area was probably not solid wood laminated. Seems to me that there were probably head timbers behind what is shown in the plans.
Yellow = arrow is the main rail. Red = upper cheek. Green = lower cheek . The planking on top of the timers takes the place of upper, middle and lower rails.
If that is what is happening, the question remains what happened to the water that got into the decked area above the main rail? Scuppers?
Thoughts please.
Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck
The guns are here!!!! Thought I'd share that news and the first installation of thanks to Todd's Small 3d Print Cannon Foundary!!! Pictures to come much later.
First questions go to constructing the head.
Preface: One of the aspects of my long term building projects is seeing how hull design changed. I can tell that L'Orenoque retains many charachteristics of her sisters from the age of sail. The stern, for example is much like the sterns of ships from the age of sail with the odd complexity of curves, particularly compared to the relatively straight forward stern of Harriet Lane. A lot of fairing at steep angles. Comparing the two ships (as models) it also seems that Harriet Lane has a much flatter bottom and the majority of the hull below the water line is "u" shaped with very little "v" shape. Much more "v" shape than "u" shape on L'Orenoque.
I imagine that the design that makes L'Orenoque much more like ships before steam, influenced the construction of the head. Below is her head from the original plans. Look at the curving blue arrows. I put them there because it occurred to me that that area was probably not solid wood laminated. Seems to me that there were probably head timbers behind what is shown in the plans.
Yellow = arrow is the main rail. Red = upper cheek. Green = lower cheek . The planking on top of the timers takes the place of upper, middle and lower rails.
If that is what is happening, the question remains what happened to the water that got into the decked area above the main rail? Scuppers?
Thoughts please.
Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck
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The lines of the ship come together at the head gracefully continuing the line of the sheer.
On Constellation's enclosed head the sheer is continued as a top-rail on the head; the top of the gun-stripe curves up to meet it as a lower rail; and all that is framed and planks down to the trail-boards/head-knee. Even by 1854, very intricate carvings were retained, though oddly, it was painted over until the 1880's.
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My clumsy attempt to replicate that in the same manner...
boomkins being installed
It's still a head, so gratings are needed to walk on...
The line of the bulwark is continued by a tarpaulin spray-screen in Constellation's case...
On Constellation's enclosed head the sheer is continued as a top-rail on the head; the top of the gun-stripe curves up to meet it as a lower rail; and all that is framed and planks down to the trail-boards/head-knee. Even by 1854, very intricate carvings were retained, though oddly, it was painted over until the 1880's.
click pic for larger version
My clumsy attempt to replicate that in the same manner...
boomkins being installed
It's still a head, so gratings are needed to walk on...
The line of the bulwark is continued by a tarpaulin spray-screen in Constellation's case...
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Jerry!!! That is super helpful! I thought my logic was sound. Good to see that it was also correct. BTW, NICE!!!
Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
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Yes, Scuppers. I think. They achieved the purpose of clearing the f'ocsle decks on clippers. I'm guessing something similar here, if the area takes water over the bow in heavy seas, it has to have a way to drain.
It seems to me like the simplest solution would be a drain into the hawse pipes, but that's an opinion unhindered by knowledge or experience...
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Pete! Thank you! Scuppers - the cure for any sea going problem
Funny thing is that Constellation doesn't appear to have them. And, knowing Jerry, if the Constellation had them his model would too. Perhaps @Namabiiru is onto something. Looks like the natural channel, based on Jerry's model, is towards the bowsprit hole (I'm sure there's a name for it) could there be some kind of drain? Although, I respectfully differ on the Occam's razor solution. I think scuppers are the right answer - don't want the water or the waste getting into the ship - rot, rotten, rottenest!Blessings.
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How dare you tell me I'm mature, sir! Fighting words!!!
I guess it comes along with the avocation? Patience is starting to win. Damn and blast! As to pace, I am running out of summer, my friend. Not that I have a set completion date or production schedule, but it would be pretty cool to have her under glass by Christmas. But, now I have to worry about spontaneous combustion too
Thanks for the compliment on the hull, Paul! And thank's for keeping track of my build. I'm watching you too - more like stalking really
Blessings.
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Peter! Thank you! But you are very wrong!!! When I post about the guns - later today - promise - you'll see what I mean. And as I work on the head I find I made even more and this time perhaps irreparable errors in measurement - happily you can't see both sides of a ship at the same time. And in my case, I've planned to display her so that it is impossible to even see her from directly forward or aft.
In fact, the idea just occurred to me that I don't even need to bother with the starboard side at all.Blessisngs.
Chuck
The problem with recreations and restorations is they fall short; there's no money, little if any expertise, or knowledge. Constellation is a big one in that regard; there's much that's wrong and or not correct for the period they claim to be restoring her to. Because of that, much of what I do for the model is based on what I find in manuals and images of other US warships, such as how the main tops'l braces are led to an omega-shaped ring above the mizzen tops'l yard.Pete! Thank you! Scuppers - the cure for any sea going problem
The seats-of-ease (heads) were basically a box which itself was basically a funnel that lead to a pipe going through the enclosure and down a poop-chute.
They never installed this arrangement on the "restored" Constellation, but they have this drawing posted for the tourist. The discharge can be seen in some photos as well. There's nothing implied here in any drawing or portrait. (pre-1879)
I was only going to model the seats and the chute below the trail-boards, but...
The drawing's dated 1869, so I suspect it may be a "new" arrangement relative to what was done before, which may have been just a tube through the head planking that didn't extend down the hull, so not much more than a hole.
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Jerry! Thank you for sharing this VERY interesting detail. It always seemed to me that a "poop-chute" was a good idea to keep the human waste off the stem and bow - particularly when at anchor. So a specialized scupper is the answer. At 1:100 scale I'm not going to do a lot of detail on the uses of the head
Blessings.
Chuck