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L'Orenoque Mamoli 1:100 scale

Martin By Eye said:
i use Amati ultrafine annealed copper ring pins for that sort of job, just bought 700. Don't know if you can find them in the states.
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Martin! Sometimes I just don't know how I'd get by without shipmates like you! I don't know why I never think to look and see if I can get certain things on-line. In this case, I'll make the remaining 17 rings - the perfect marriage of a little skill and a lot of impatience. :p

BTW - I was looking at my plan set for L'Aigle and thought that since L'Aigle and L'Orenoque are both 1:100 scale I'd lay one over the other to see the relative sizes and confrm that L'Aigle was a much bigger ship. She much bigger by a lot. Pics later.

The L'Aigle plans show her entirely fore and aft rigged. I was hoping for some help with L'Orenoque's mast, spars and rigging. Let's say the year is 1855. How similar would French practices be to American or British? Chain slings? Iron trusses? I am asking because the spar and rigging plan is, you guessed it, mainly nonsense.

Blessings.
Chuck
 
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Martin, I just checked my usual online sources - no rings available that are about 1.3 mm outside diameter. Excellent!


Blessings.
Chuck
 
Corsair said:
Here is an easy way to make rings and eyebolts !
This I got from Amazon and it works great.
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It's called a "Beadstep one step looper".
I don't know if 1.5 mm is small enough loop for you.
They also make them in 2 larger sizes. 2.25 and 3.0 mm
I got all 3 and they work great. One crimp and you have a beautiful ring !
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Jeff! That's an excellent thought! My rings will be much more consistent with a tool like this. To make them just a bit smaller I can cut a tiny bit (0.2 mm) off the short ent and give it a little squeeze. I'll check on this.

Blessings.
Chuck
 
The looper's a great tool, but 1.5mm is as small as they go. At the scale I work in, that's pretty handy, but in smaller scales you wind up with giant eyes, like a foot around in 1:100 scale. A gunport ring may have been 3"-6" in diameter?
You'll get smaller, better scaled rings wrapping wire around an appropriately sized rod, and snipping each ring off the coil.
 
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Corsair said:
Here is an easy way to make rings and eyebolts !
This I got from Amazon and it works great.
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It's called a "Beadstep one step looper".
I don't know if 1.5 mm is small enough loop for you.
They also make them in 2 larger sizes. 2.25 and 3.0 mm
I got all 3 and they work great. One crimp and you have a beautiful ring !
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Hey Jeff,
yes, thats it.....:) Thumbsup
That's what I was looking for!! I can really use that...!! Thanks for the tip.
 
The Gavel said:
Martin! Sometimes I just don't know how I'd get by without shipmates like you! I don't know why I never think to look and see if I can get certain things on-line. In this case, I'll make the remaining 17 rings - the perfect marriage of a little skill and a lot of impatience. :p

BTW - I was looking at my plan set for L'Aigle and thought that since L'Aigle and L'Orenoque are both 1:100 scale I'd lay one over the other to see the relative sizes and confrm that L'Aigle was a much bigger ship. She much bigger by a lot. Pics later.

The L'Aigle plans show her entirely for and aft rigged. I was hoping for some help with L'Orenoque's mast, spars and rigging. Let's say the year is 1855. How similar would French practices be to American or British? Chain slings? Iron trusses? I am asking because the spar and rigging plan is, you guessed it, mainly nonsense.

Blessings.
Chuck
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Ha, I was waiting for that one ! It's got to be difficult to say as it is such a crossover period. the Sphinx seems to have absolutely standard 18C style rigging and knowing the french i would expect them to be twenty years behind , at least. i have looked at what i had already to hand but i have as many question marks as you for the moment !
 
The Gavel said:
Martin! Sometimes I just don't know how I'd get by without shipmates like you! I don't know why I never think to look and see if I can get certain things on-line. In this case, I'll make the remaining 17 rings - the perfect marriage of a little skill and a lot of impatience. :p

BTW - I was looking at my plan set for L'Aigle and thought that since L'Aigle and L'Orenoque are both 1:100 scale I'd lay one over the other to see the relative sizes and confrm that L'Aigle was a much bigger ship. She much bigger by a lot. Pics later.

The L'Aigle plans show her entirely for and aft rigged. I was hoping for some help with L'Orenoque's mast, spars and rigging. Let's say the year is 1855. How similar would French practices be to American or British? Chain slings? Iron trusses? I am asking because the spar and rigging plan is, you guessed it, mainly nonsense.

Blessings.
Chuck
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L'Aigle was built to show off french shipbuilding prowess and rake in orders on a world scale , a real "imperial " yacht, so not surprising she was so impressively huge in this period of excessive dreams. A bit like an oversize ballroom , but in better taste !
 
Martin By Eye said:
L'Aigle was built to show off french shipbuilding prowess and rake in orders on a world scale , a real "imperial " yacht, so not surprising she was so impressively huge in this period of excessive dreams. A bit like an oversize ballroom , but in better taste !
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Here's the pic. Blue arrows show that they were equal width at the sponsons. Red arrows/lines to help see L'Orenoque's dimensions on my nature-light table. Yellow for L'Aigle. L'Orenoque was a bit beamier - not the grace of L'Aigle. Plenty of room on L'Orenoque to build the stables and other locker rooms inboard of the sponsons ROTF

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Papatotalos said:
Hi Chuck,
I find my little things like that in a shop where they sell "make your own jewelry". Or an online shop of that. They have a lot of these small rings and pins etc..
It is not from model ship building, but they have great stuff. Also small chains.
Good luck.
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Clemens! Thank you for the idea! I have had good luck at the crafting stores on other things - I got my parrels from just such a place 1mm black seed beads :) I'll keep my eye out for next time.

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck
 
JerryTodd said:
The looper's a great tool, but 1.5mm is as small as they go. At the scale I work in, that's pretty handy, but in smaller scales you wind up with giant eyes, like a foot around in 1:100 scale. A gunport ring may have been 3"-6" in diameter?
You'll get smaller, better scaled rings wrapping wire around an appropriately sized rod, and snipping each ring off the coil.
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Jerry Todd! Thanks for the input. I have been making my tiny rings one at a time with 28 gauge wire. I can get them pretty darn small at the cost of 1 acceptable one for 3 duds. I'll try the rod method.

Blessings.
Chuck
 
The Gavel said:
What ho, shipmates!

I briefly paused to consider two things. First, should I add additional details to the port-lids, a ring and a rope to raise them? Second, could I make a small enough ring? I decided yes to both. Turns out that rope has a name (big surprise - not) - "span." Here's a mock up of the spans, the source for the name and the first of 18 rings for the span to attach to.

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck

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Hi Chuck,

I’m not saying this is the best way to make the rings, but I found it quite simple and it yielded great results, at least in my humble opinion.

Oh no! Another method to make ringbolts?

Ringbolts are a very common part of the ship, they are used by means to secure and interconnect various ropes. They could just have an eye or complete with a ring together. We need them a lot! One way to buy those is on Amazon or other online stores. But making them from scratch could be really...
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The Gavel said:
Here's the pic. Blue arrows show that they were equal width at the sponsons. Red arrows/lines to help see L'Orenoque's dimensions on my nature-light table. Yellow for L'Aigle. L'Orenoque was a bit beamier - not the grace of L'Aigle. Pleanty of room on L'Orenoque to build the stables and other locker rooms inboard of the sponsons ROTF

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L'Aigle was definitely built for speed, the feathering wheels added some 30% in efficiency . I saw video of the PS Waverley ,that has the same feathering system, she is impressively fast even compared to screw driven ships.
 
The Gavel said:
What ho, shipmates!

I briefly paused to consider two things. First, should I add additional details to the port-lids, a ring and a rope to raise them? Second, could I make a small enough ring? I decided yes to both. Turns out that rope has a name (big surprise - not) - "span." Here's a mock up of the spans, the source for the name and the first of 18 rings for the span to attach to.

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck

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Chuck,
Have you considered making them as eyebolts, as opposed to rings? Rings will be hard to cleanly attach to the port lids.
 
Namabiiru said:
Chuck,
Have you considered making them as eyebolts, as opposed to rings? Rings will be hard to cleanly attach to the port lids.
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At small scales, making an eye-bolt and bending it to appear as a ring hanging is much easier. 1:100 may be at the line for this effect, it would certainly work well at 1:64, but I doubt it would look right at 1:48 or larger.
 
Jimsky said:
Hi Chuck,

I’m not saying this is the best way to make the rings, but I found it quite simple and it yielded great results, at least in my humble opinion.

Oh no! Another method to make ringbolts?

Ringbolts are a very common part of the ship, they are used by means to secure and interconnect various ropes. They could just have an eye or complete with a ring together. We need them a lot! One way to buy those is on Amazon or other online stores. But making them from scratch could be really...
shipsofscale.com
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Jim! That's good stuff! Appreciate the lead!

Blessings.
Chuck
 
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