Making Cannon

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Much can be commented on these two rather hefty volumes (I have a slightly different publishing configuration), but it is best to go to the library to see them in person first, as there are, apart from the text itself, indeed a great many illustrations in a rather eclectic selection, both on armament and the ships themselves, mostly reproductions from sources (and many of them quite rarely reproduced indeed), which is of course an advantage for someone without access to these sources.

Metadata of ‘my’ publishing configuration:

— Giovanni Santi-Mazzini, La marina da guerra. Le armate di mare e le armi navali dal rinascimento al 1914, publisher Mondadori, Milano 2007, language: Italian, ISBN 978-88-370-4234-9,
— Giovanni Santi-Mazzini, La tecnologia militare maritima dal 1776 al 1916. Volume I. Parte I: Polveri e munizioni. Parte II: Artiglieria navale, publisher Pharos, San Remo 1994, language: Italian, ISBN 88-86375-05-0.


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See at abebook

2006 publication:
MILITARIA Storia, Battaglie, Armate - LA MARINA E LE ARMI NAVALI DAL RINASCIMENTO AL 1914 - Volume 2
Militaria. Storia, battaglie, armate 7: La Marina e le Armi Navali dal rinascimento al 1914. Vol. 1

2007 publication:
La marina da guerra Santi-Mazzini, Giovanni Published by Mondadori, 2007

La Tecnologia Militare Marittima dal 1776 al 1916 Volume I
La tecnologia militare marittima dal 1776 al 19 (Long description : La tecnologia militare marittima dal 1776 al 1916. Esplodenti, artiglierie (Vol. 2). Parte III:Armi subacquee)

Cannot afford it for me, but it can be your's

Good evenning
Michel
 
Fish&Chip said:
See at abebook

2006 publication:
MILITARIA Storia, Battaglie, Armate - LA MARINA E LE ARMI NAVALI DAL RINASCIMENTO AL 1914 - Volume 2
Militaria. Storia, battaglie, armate 7: La Marina e le Armi Navali dal rinascimento al 1914. Vol. 1

2007 publication:
La marina da guerra Santi-Mazzini, Giovanni Published by Mondadori, 2007

La Tecnologia Militare Marittima dal 1776 al 1916 Volume I
La tecnologia militare marittima dal 1776 al 19 (Long description : La tecnologia militare marittima dal 1776 al 1916. Esplodenti, artiglierie (Vol. 2). Parte III:Armi subacquee)

Cannot afford it for me, but it can be your's

Good evenning
Michel
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Hi, I should point out that this is not the first version that well different from the first, said by the person who bought it.Frank

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Maybe it is me and the translations, but my original problem was finding the lengths of the carriage brackets for a given gun length and I cannot find this information in any of the sources above, thus far. A guess at the difference would work in the end at our common scales, but I would feel much more comfortable having actual data based on contemporary sources if it exists. Barring contemporary based information I have been using a ratio. For example if the gun is a 9.0 foot 24 pounder and the brackets on the chart call for 69.46", a 9.5 foot gun would have (9.5/9)X69.46 = 73.3" long brackets. This may be totally wrong, but barring better information I hope this makes some sort of sense:).

Thanks again for all the input, there is some very useful information especially for guns other than English.

Allan
 
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AllanKP69 said:
Maybe it is me and the translations, but my original problem was finding the lengths of the carriage brackets for a given gun length and I cannot find this information in any of the sources above, thus far. A guess at the difference would work in the end at our common scales, but I would feel much more comfortable having actual data based on contemporary sources if it exists.

Thanks again for all the input, there is some very useful information especially for guns other than English.

Allan
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Hi, I don't rescoo ha understand (translations).frank
 
AllanKP69 said:
Maybe it is me and the translations, but my original problem was finding the lengths of the carriage brackets for a given gun length and I cannot find this information in any of the sources above, thus far. A guess at the difference would work in the end at our common scales, but I would feel much more comfortable having actual data based on contemporary sources if it exists. Barring contemporary based information I have been using a ratio. For example if the gun is a 9.0 foot 24 pounder and the brackets on the chart call for 69.46", a 9.5 foot gun would have (9.5/9)X69.46 = 73.3" long brackets. This may be totally wrong, but barring better information I hope this makes some sort of sense:).

Thanks again for all the input, there is some very useful information especially for guns other than English.

Allan
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Allan, good afternoon. We have Ilyin's book, "Practical Naval Artillery", 1841. Here is a table of gun mount sizes depending on caliber. I understand that this is not the English fleet, but I think these parameters can be used for understanding.
 

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Hi John
If Phil can help, that would be great. Which cannon do you want to have printed? I can send you the STLs for most, if not all, calibers and common lengths from Browne pattern to Blomefield pattern. Did you check out the link above? https://thenrg.org/page-1075420 Scroll down and you will see what is ready to go. If this is a problem, PM me with your email address and I will email you the specific patterns/calibers that you want as well as appropriate carriage designs if you need them as well.
Allan
 
AllanKP69 said:
Hi John
If Phil can help, that would be great. Which cannon do you want to have printed? I can send you the STLs for most, if not all, calibers and common lengths from Browne pattern to Blomefield pattern. Did you check out the link above? https://thenrg.org/page-1075420 Scroll down and you will see what is ready to go. If this is a problem, PM me with your email address and I will email you the specific patterns/calibers that you want as well as appropriate carriage designs if you need them as well.
Allan
AllanKP69 said:
Hi John
If Phil can help, that would be great. Which cannon do you want to have printed? I can send you the STLs for most, if not all, calibers and common lengths from Browne pattern to Blomefield pattern. Did you check out the link above? https://thenrg.org/page-1075420 Scroll down and you will see what is ready to go. If this is a problem, PM me with your email address and I will email you the specific patterns/calibers that you want as well as appropriate carriage designs if you need them as well.
Allan
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Hi Allan, Yes I have followed that link to the nrg site, thankyou. And have made a few prints from it, at different scales. Those stl's seem quite accurate. See photo attached.
My enquiry was relating to the resin prints by philski, of the 24pr on the wooden naval carriage. I wonder if there are any stl's available for those.
I have made quite a few model cannons in steel at 1:10 scale (one example on my identifier), with builds detailed at johnsmachines.com
The first photo shows the difference between filament prints with the barrel printed horizontally (left) and vertically (right). The next 2 shots are of my first ship build in progress, using the barrels as wedges to stop the ship from wobbling.
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3D - and they can be drawn to spec in CAD prior to printing. Another advantage to 3D printing is you can print multiples at the same time. And in the slicing software, you can scale them up or down with ease. Note: there are quite a few sources for printable cannons, some sites even provide them with their historical relevance....View attachment 451458View attachment 451459View attachment 451460View attachment 451461
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Hello Philski,
excellent resin prints! Is the stl for the 24pr on the naval carriage available? John
 
Hi Bernard
Can you please tell us if the samples you show are French or some other nation and also what year these cannon represent? They are beautiful!!!!
Merci
Allan
 
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Is the stl for the 24pr on the naval carriage available?
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John

Like the cannon barrels, one problem is that there are several hundred different carriages depending on the nation, year, caliber, and length. A 24 pounder carriage for a Brown pattern gun looked nothing like the carriage for a Borgard, Armstrong or other English pattern not to mention Spanish, French Dutch and so forth.

In the drawings above in post #76 I am curious as to what cannon pattern that is supposed to be. I thought at first they were Blomefields (1790-circa 1815) with the loop over the knob on the cascabel ring but there is a chase astragal ring which did not exist on Blomefield pattern guns. The carriages look a little bit like those used for Armstrong Frederick (1760-1790) cannon patterns so the whole assembly is confusing.
Allan
 
hello,

The one above is the 1780 French Gribeauval cannon, a 12 mm field gun.
The one below is the 1757 Soleil Royal cannon.
It's called the canon du Croisic, the town where it's displayed, Le Croisic.
a 24 naval gun.

Bernard
 
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