Franco,
What is the price for the book that you are offering and is it a legal copy?
Thank you
Allan
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As these books are all copyrighted, is it ethical or even legal to give them to anyone in-toto for free as well as promote the website?
Allan
The link has been removed to avoid copirated infringement
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The link is not illegal, it is just a forum of shipbuilding and the members share there books, the links behind that link are illegal. It is for you the choice to go further and download or not. But if the link I posted is illegal? Don't think so, then must google be illegal to, that’s where I found the link in the first place.
Artilleryman:
Measured drawings are difficult to find without going to the Archives in person, or proxy, and getting copies. Online is near impossible.While accurate gun dimensions can be had from patent drawings and the like, Altered and Confederate made pieces seldom have even that.
Carriages, especially during the war were, often field-made to fit the gun to the ship and may appear like "standard" pieces, but are different enough to instill madness in a modeller.
Interestingly enough, the IX Dahlgren/Marsilly combo, and the XI Dahlgren/pivot carriage & slide are probably the most common of Union Naval armament during the war, with the most and best information available today - mostly extant samples to measure.
If all you want is a 3D model to print, both guns are available as STLs on my Thingiverse page.
I got myself into a project modeling Naval guns at: Naval Guns 1854-1875 which may be of interest to you.
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The link is a 100% legit website, but it does provide links to download books that are never published in PDF and, therefore considered illegal copies. Why shall we grant the site if we know they providing downloads to someone's intellectual property?
Thanks Jim, This is a great clarification.
I am not so naive to think everyone cares about this but on a practical level, taking these books for free is wrong. The authors have spent a LOT of time in research and writing in order to earn a living and take care of their families. If I download a book for free that would cost $40 if I bought it from a store or a publishing house I know I have just stolen at least $20 from the author and his family and another $20 from the publisher and his business.
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Hi AllanKP, I have a clean conscience if I download something in the public domain ,is it illegal? Frank
Excuse me, is there anyone who can translate these wordings for me? Thank you
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Here is the tranlation, Franchesko.
ISBN 3 7822 0447 6, Warcngruppe No. 21
© 1988 by Koehlers Verlagsgesellschaft mbH, Herford All rights reserved, especially the translation. Commercial use and evaluation of the documents and sketches are only permitted with the permission of the publisher.
Dust jacket design and illustrations:
Marietta Klingenbrunn, Steindorf
Layout: Wolfram zu Mondfeld
Production: Heinz Kameier
Overall production: Ilmgaudruckerei, Pfaffenhofen Printed in Germany
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I happen to have this book on ‘ship’ artillery by Mondfeld in my home library (a legal, hardback copy). It can be rated quite a failure in terms of reliability. Admittedly, there are a fair number of graphics accumulated, certainly appearing attractive especially to unsuspecting dilettantes in the field, but it is essentially a chaotic collection of whatever the author of this book came across. There is not in this book what should be (according to the book's rather explicit title — Schiffsgeschütze...) and, conversely, there is quite a lot of ridiculously inappropriate stuff, for example French land artillery systems par excellence that were never used at sea, such as the Vallière 1732 system or the even more famous field (i.e. light) artillery of the Gribeauval 1764 system.
The publication of the second, follow-on volume did not take place, presumably as a result of the crushing yet valid criticism of the first volume.
For the less well-informed hobby modellers, it will probably already be a safer, and certainly easier option to get any ready-made generic cannon barrels for some ship model they are building, for example from the nearest/cheapest/favourite modelling accessories seller, than to bother consulting this publication. It most probably won't be any worse. On the other hand, a cannon barrel is a cannon barrel, who cares, or do they
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Still, I want to say something about whether or not you can legally own a copy of a book.
In most of Europe and in other parts of the world, there are laws for this that allow it. We call this a private copying of copyrighted works. (German: persönliche Vervielfältigung and Dutch: thuiskopie voor privé doeleindes)
This law allows you to make a copy of a copyrighted product for your own use. You are also allowed to make a copy for someone else and pass on the cost of paper and similar without making a profit. This means that you can also download a copy of a book, music or film and use it for yourself. Only you are not allowed to distribute it by putting it on the internet and making it accessible. Then you are an offender. So downloading is allowed, uploading is prohibited.
This is a law that applies in the Netherlands and in much of Europe. But a lot of other parts of the world also allow this in this way. You will have to find out for yourself how the rules apply in your country. Even if the law is also in place in your country, it may even differ here and there.
Aren't the authors then disadvantaged? No, because this law provides for another regulation and that is the private copying levy. (German: Pauschalabgabe and Dutch: Thuiskopieheffing)
This levy comes on products you buy. For example, printers, scanners, photo equipment, smartphones but also on media like blank CDs/DVDs etc. And this levy then benefits the publisher/author.
This system was created because it is too difficult to maintain that copies are not in circulation and a general system compensates for this. You can then make an uninhibited copy of a newspaper article, copy a book for school, for your own use. But also record a song from the radio and listen to it. Or just download it from the internet. You are just not allowed to upload it to then make it publicly available. And certainly not for profit. But if you find a download link on the WWW, no one will stop you from downloading it for your own private use.
In the Netherlands, this law is certainly valid, which is why no one here on the forum can express the opinion that with a copy of the book Schiffsgeschütze, I am in possession of an illegal copy. No, I use it for my private purposes and thus it is legal to download or possess it. How wonderful the Netherlands is sometimes.
Hyperlinking. You may hyperlink in your blog or on your website to copyrighted works, such as a news article, a video or someone else's blog. But this is only allowed if that content was freely accessible to everyone anyway. (if you can find it with Google for example)
So the link to the Russian site is not illegal and allowed for that. That the Russian site then links to illegal content is a problem for that site. Not our problem. Because if according to your country of residence it is allowed to make a home copy then you are allowed to use it, after all, you paid the private copying levy and thus compensated the author.
I understand that this is an international forum. I find it very strange, if this is the case, that when it comes to enforcement, the rules of a country where such a thing is not allowed are then used. While it is allowed in other countries. I was aware of this and for that I also made the mention about having to take into account the laws that apply in your country if you download something on that site. This is called freedom.
Sorry @AllanKP69 for loading your forum with this, but I felt attacked here by sharing a link and that I was doing so in an illegal manner. But given the above explanation, this is therefore not the case. After all, we don't all live in, say, America where different laws and standards apply. And I think people should be careful before accusing someone of something if you don't know how the norms and values apply in that country where that person lives.
In most of Europe and in other parts of the world, there are laws for this that allow it. We call this a private copying of copyrighted works. (German: persönliche Vervielfältigung and Dutch: thuiskopie voor privé doeleindes)
This law allows you to make a copy of a copyrighted product for your own use. You are also allowed to make a copy for someone else and pass on the cost of paper and similar without making a profit. This means that you can also download a copy of a book, music or film and use it for yourself. Only you are not allowed to distribute it by putting it on the internet and making it accessible. Then you are an offender. So downloading is allowed, uploading is prohibited.
This is a law that applies in the Netherlands and in much of Europe. But a lot of other parts of the world also allow this in this way. You will have to find out for yourself how the rules apply in your country. Even if the law is also in place in your country, it may even differ here and there.
Aren't the authors then disadvantaged? No, because this law provides for another regulation and that is the private copying levy. (German: Pauschalabgabe and Dutch: Thuiskopieheffing)
This levy comes on products you buy. For example, printers, scanners, photo equipment, smartphones but also on media like blank CDs/DVDs etc. And this levy then benefits the publisher/author.
This system was created because it is too difficult to maintain that copies are not in circulation and a general system compensates for this. You can then make an uninhibited copy of a newspaper article, copy a book for school, for your own use. But also record a song from the radio and listen to it. Or just download it from the internet. You are just not allowed to upload it to then make it publicly available. And certainly not for profit. But if you find a download link on the WWW, no one will stop you from downloading it for your own private use.
In the Netherlands, this law is certainly valid, which is why no one here on the forum can express the opinion that with a copy of the book Schiffsgeschütze, I am in possession of an illegal copy. No, I use it for my private purposes and thus it is legal to download or possess it. How wonderful the Netherlands is sometimes.
Hyperlinking. You may hyperlink in your blog or on your website to copyrighted works, such as a news article, a video or someone else's blog. But this is only allowed if that content was freely accessible to everyone anyway. (if you can find it with Google for example)
So the link to the Russian site is not illegal and allowed for that. That the Russian site then links to illegal content is a problem for that site. Not our problem. Because if according to your country of residence it is allowed to make a home copy then you are allowed to use it, after all, you paid the private copying levy and thus compensated the author.
I understand that this is an international forum. I find it very strange, if this is the case, that when it comes to enforcement, the rules of a country where such a thing is not allowed are then used. While it is allowed in other countries. I was aware of this and for that I also made the mention about having to take into account the laws that apply in your country if you download something on that site. This is called freedom.
Sorry @AllanKP69 for loading your forum with this, but I felt attacked here by sharing a link and that I was doing so in an illegal manner. But given the above explanation, this is therefore not the case. After all, we don't all live in, say, America where different laws and standards apply. And I think people should be careful before accusing someone of something if you don't know how the norms and values apply in that country where that person lives.
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Thanks for your contribution Waldemar, but of this opinion (which I see as personal) do you have any evidence that this is so? Because I can't find it anywhere that this is so and personally I do find it an interesting book with a lot to offer. Besides, you can say the opinion you share almost about any book, author, archaeologist or omniscient. Because yes, it is something from the past of which there is little evidence and most of it is only assumed by... may fill in yourself.
Hi Stephan,
I totally understand your feeling as I also feel attacked if someone copies the books I wrote without paying my publisher or me or getting permission to do so.
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That law provides precisely that you do get paid. And you don't have to blame me for making a copy of your book. Because that is what the levy is applied for in my country and in many other countries. I pay a tax even if I don't make a copy.
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The imposition of a special, general tax, in particular on devices capable of copying and distributing a copyrighted works, is obviously not a licence to continue stealing from the authors of these works, but is intended as compensation for authors who are constantly being robbed and who, in extreme cases, may even be left without a livelihood despite their work. In other words, this additional tax is the direct result of such quite widespread theft, whether conscious or unconscious, and not the other way around. Trying to justify theft by reversing this logic shows a misunderstanding of the law or a deliberate distortion of it and is simply intellectually dishonest.
Usually there is a warning on such works that it is illegal to copy these works in any way (apart from the exceptions indicated), and downloading, similarly to uploading, is precisely creating another (illegal) copy.
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in the old analog world, you can walk into any library and find rows of copy machines. you can go into a library and sit there and copy an entire book and no one seems to care, the library actually provides the copy machines.
now that we live in a digital world web sites forums etc are like the old analog library's if they contain material with a copyright or not i see no issue with posting a link or downloading anything for personal use or in the US fair use.
even the internet archive is an open library and it is the responsibility of the user and not the archive.
fair use and or personal use of copyrighted material is not even close to the same thing as taking copyrighted material and selling it for a profit.
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Well if you know it so good, write a letter to the Dutch goverment and tell them. But you said it already, everybody is doing it already and it is not something to control. At least goverments with this tax pay authors a compensation. So this law is somehow a good decision.
Did you never copy a page from a book or paper, and post this on media? Did you ever buy a second hand book? Same thing. If you buy a second hand book the author doesn't get any extra compensation for that. Strange the book changed from owner and you can actually read it without paying the author.
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I am sorry, but you have not convinced me with these examples cited, which are in any case irrelevant in a legal sense to the substance of the matter. But at least they could potentially make everyone involved feel better in terms of ethical self-assessment.
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This is known as fair use and legal most everywhere, but when posting something even like that, at least the name of the book and author should be credited on the post.
Sooo, let's get back to the subject matter of this thread, making cannon
Allan