Mary Ann by Billing Boats 472 - Build log

Hello, very nicely built. I have two working Mary Anns but not with your excellent cabin detail. The motor you have chosen is good for the job and although the 2 blade prop is correct I fitted a small 30mm 3 bladed one. I used Marx Monoperm supers (because I have several) for my boats but current consumption is less than an amp. I used very cheap esc's from AliExpress at £2 each they may have gone up in price now but that will need to have the small red 2 lead connectors fitted which are very cheap. They work very well without any failures, there is a tiny switch on the esc that switches the breaking as for cars ,on and off.

The model only needs a 9 gram servo fitted for the rudder as there is not much power needed. I too have made brass rudders almost identical to yours as they do look much better. I have a small area for getting at the top of the rudder post under the grating, which always seems to stay in place.

I have some old wartime photos of the fishing boats in a WW2 Naval Intelligence book documenting all fishing in the North Sea from every country involved together with the seasons for catching different fish species.

I did note that one fishing boat similar to Mary Ann had the trawl winch at right angles to the placement in the kit plans. You said you have some experience on the fishing boats is that something you can tell us about? It would seem more logical.
I do have a 3 man crew on each model which rather brings them to life. Thank you for the information for the requirement for the sails.

I look forward to seeing the finished model.

Roy
 
Hello Roy,
Thanks for stopping by for a look at what I've been doing. It's always interesting to hear from fellow builders who have tackled the same boat. I've thought that a three man crew would be about right...I have a few potential crew members underway on my bench at the moment, but I haven't yet decided who will make it through the selection process for inclusion in the maiden crew.

But it wasn't me that had the real-life experience on these boats, that was another member of the name of El Capi, he sailed on them for a few years in his younger days and has good knowledge of their setup if you're after more info (he also has lots of photos). He did also mention that the winches varied between the boats...some mounted longitudinally and others perpendicular.

I've been letting other things get in the way of my building recently, but hopefully I'll have more to report on by the end of the week.
 
Hello Roy,
Thanks for stopping by for a look at what I've been doing. It's always interesting to hear from fellow builders who have tackled the same boat. I've thought that a three man crew would be about right...I have a few potential crew members underway on my bench at the moment, but I haven't yet decided who will make it through the selection process for inclusion in the maiden crew.

But it wasn't me that had the real-life experience on these boats, that was another member of the name of El Capi, he sailed on them for a few years in his younger days and has good knowledge of their setup if you're after more info (he also has lots of photos). He did also mention that the winches varied between the boats...some mounted longitudinally and others perpendicular.

I've been letting other things get in the way of my building recently, but hopefully I'll have more to report on by the end of the week.
 
Hello thanks for your response, I read through 5 pages and got lost in the threads. But your info on the winch placement was interesting. The Billing Mary Ann is the most attractive fishing boat and I just like looking at her. I found my second crew lurking in my garage.! It was a father anf two beefy sons who volunteered! I explained the pay was awful and there was no time off, but they said if I got them some heavy weather gear they would man the boat.

Billing do another fishing boat Cux 87 (I think) and the hull keel and frames are exactly the same with the same Billing sheet numbers. I have a third kit with just the frames assembled but I wanted a different boat and maybe look at the Nordern plans and copy that deck layout.
My kits are old and have the trawl gallows in brass.

I do recommend the cheap esc I use from AliExpress. They are the only ones I use these days.
My preference is for model yachts of which I have about 10. I have a Mantua Bruma kit unstarted, but I want to have the sails also functioning which is going to take some thinking about. I have been advising another modeller on the Model Boats Website on how to place a temporary keel in a Bruma without it being obvious when removed. The challenge is switching off the mixer to the twin motors and have separate control of the boat rudder while sailing. I think I have solved it but most starts can be improved on.

I am scratch building a Wild Duck scale yacht yacht at the moment but the next one will be an Artisania Latina Trotamores, (converted fishing boat), from a static to a working model. I am the despair of my family with over 40 model boats in the house all radio controlled.

Regards
Roy
 
It’s been a frustrating few days
Well, I did ask for it last time…I shouldn’t have mentioned anything about ‘luck’. Anyway, I noticed one of the vertical rubbing rails at the stern end was starting to lift. These are only thin strips of wood, but there is a fair bend in the shape of the hull at that point and I obviously didn’t get sufficient bend ‘set’ into the strip before gluing it down. I thought it best to sort that out now before doing any further painting - that was about the only good thought I had in this little episode!

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I decided to glue the end down with some thin CA, using its wicking ability to get back under the timber and then hold it down while it dried. The first problem encountered was that I should have used a fine syringe to apply the glue, but I used an extension nozzle on a new bottle of CA and, when turned upside down, the full bottle gave it enough momentum to inject way too much glue and that came out the other side and over the paintwork…dissolving the acrylic top coat as it went. Then I put a rubber band over top of the piece being glued (around the hull), to let it dry properly before sorting out the paint damage.

This brings me to problem number two…and it’s a bit embarrassing. I thought I’d put the hull back out in the sun for a bit while it dried off (just for a few minutes), and I then went off to do something else. And, you know that feeling you get when you remember something an hour or so later…yes, I’d left it baking in the sun and it was quite hot to touch when I bought it back in. This had allowed the rubber band to cut into the paint work quite badly. A frustrating morning overall…and I only had myself to blame. Unfortunately, I didn’t take any photos of this. Anyway, I’m now back to fixing things prior being able to finish the painting.

First, I removed the worst of both issues by rubbing them back with 600 grit wet & dry, but there were areas that needed a small amount of filler to bring the surface back to a consistent level. Now to problem number three…it turns out that automotive spray primers and putties are solvent rich and that can dissolve dry acrylic paint that is already on the surface…not to the point of wrinkling or peeling, but it does etch the acrylic out to the edges of the applied primer. In my case this was complicated by me using masking tape to try to limit the size of the area I was fixing. This resulted in the primer etching a square of fine lines at the tape edge.

Here (below) is one side after spraying and rubbing back the spray putty, and you can see both the remnants of the masking border, and also a line right around the edge of where the putty was re-sprayed to try and fill the line around the masked area. That wavy, dotted line is actually a line of small cavities in the surface where the solvent has etched the acrylic. At this point I felt this job is getting bigger rather than better!

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The small blocks shown near the hull, above, are a couple of thin sanding boards I made up so that I can 600 wet & dry sand between the rubbing bands, they worked well when I got to that stage. The other thing that you can see in that photo is that the fourth band from the left of the photo is also starting to show signs of lifting at the end, probably due to the spray putty softening the paint and Weld-Bond glue below it. Remember the rhyme about the 'old lady who swallowed a fly'...

At this point I decided to re-glue all of the ends that showed even the slightest movement. I used a scalpel blade to carefully slice from the end for a few millimetres and then I used a very small 1ml syringe with a needle point to inject the smallest quantity of thin CA under the timber. This wicked in immediately and each was carefully held in place with a screwdriver blade until dry. The 1ml syringe worked very well, I filled it with a small amount of CA directly from the bottle and it was easily cleaned afterward with acetone…this is how I’ll probably use the thin CA in future.

Finally, I feel as though I’m starting to make progress again. Now the issue that I still have to sort out is filling all those small etched areas around where I had used the spray putty & primer. All of the fillers I have used thus far are not great for this task…the blue Sika 107 is too coarse and the Deluxe Lite does not stick or sand well in very fine applications. I did a bit of research and found another Deluxe product called Perfect Plastic Putty that gets good reviews. And this is close what I was after, it is water based and designed to go on painted surfaces (won’t damage acrylics), it’s very fine in structure, it's a single pack (no mixing), it dries quickly, and importantly it sands well to a hard polished finish for painting. The feathering at the edges is good, but not as good as you get from spray putty or multiple primer coats.

As you can see, below, even though the filled surface looked perfect before painting, once you get the finish coat back on and dry, you can still see remnants of the filled area. Those bright lights make it look worse than it seemed.

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At this point I was getting a bit deflated by the whole thing…but I really don’t like giving up! I decided to put it aside for a week or so, and did something else so that I could come back to it with fresh hands.

My last attempt would be…
  • sand back with 600 on a rigid board to make sure it was flat
  • slightly over-fill a larger area with the new filler to make sure I was getting those nasty edges covered
  • dry sand (the filler will dissolve otherwise) at 1000 grit and check it in bright sunlight…I want to get smoothly feathered edges
  • re-paint just the local area
  • when dry, wet sand the top coat to remove any remaining ‘edges’
  • repeat the re-paint/sand process, causing the top coat to act as a fine filler that is repeatedly feathered with each sand and re-coat.
I'm not finished yet, it's had two coats and is looking much better, so I'll show the final product in the next post.
 
Hello Pete, I have just realised you are 'down under'. Our son lives in Woy Woy, not that far away in ozzy terms. I shall be visiting again for the whole of February and first week in March in 2025. It is my annual visit and have been at least a dozen times already. He has a large model railway, but is full size for a sailing yacht.

I am 86 and reasonably active but wobble a bit now and again! Just had a cataract operation and the result has been incredible with clearness of vision and colours are so bright and defined it is like going back 40 years. The other one should be done before I travel as well.
The acrylic car paints in UK need to be sprayed with the finishing varnish to stabilise them as otherwise they remain soft.

Do you by chance read Model Boats magazine from the UK?

I find this web site is good but I am not really interested in the old ships of the line etc as I like working models. I have around 10 sail boats and yachts, with rather a lot of electric model boats. including a radio controlled clockwork model boat, scratch built before I was born.

This Mary Ann is my second one and has no number I am planning on rearranging the kit numbers for her and a new name. The other is a model of Lilla Dan, or at least she is built from those plans. As the hull is a plastic Graupner Elke fishing boat and the the full length over the bowsprit is 36 inches (900mm). They both have a working crew on board.
Regards
Roy

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Hello Pete, I have just realised you are 'down under'. Our son lives in Woy Woy, not that far away in ozzy terms. I shall be visiting again for the whole of February and first week in March in 2025. It is my annual visit and have been at least a dozen times already. He has a large model railway, but is full size for a sailing yacht.

I am 86 and reasonably active but wobble a bit now and again! Just had a cataract operation and the result has been incredible with clearness of vision and colours are so bright and defined it is like going back 40 years. The other one should be done before I travel as well.
The acrylic car paints in UK need to be sprayed with the finishing varnish to stabilise them as otherwise they remain soft.

Do you by chance read Model Boats magazine from the UK?

I find this web site is good but I am not really interested in the old ships of the line etc as I like working models. I have around 10 sail boats and yachts, with rather a lot of electric model boats. including a radio controlled clockwork model boat, scratch built before I was born.

This Mary Ann is my second one and has no number I am planning on rearranging the kit numbers for her and a new name. The other is a model of Lilla Dan, or at least she is built from those plans. As the hull is a plastic Graupner Elke fishing boat and the the full length over the bowsprit is 36 inches (900mm). They both have a working crew on board.
Regards
Roy

Hi Roy,
They're both great looking models, if my Mary Ann finishes up as well as yours I'll be very happy. As it happens, I was travelling through Woy Woy just last weekend on the train to Sydney, it's a pretty area and Brisbane Water is not a lot different in look to Lake Macquarie, so it'll be a nice spot to spend some time at the end of your winter. You mentioned Model Boats magazine...I have subscribed in the past, but not at present, at one point we even had it available in the local library, but it seems that magazines are slowly fading away, except perhaps for a few specialists like that one.
 
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