Caf Model - New Kit 1/48 Le Coureur 1776

And now some remarks on this photo of your prepared fittings and decoration elements -> WOW
1) I can recognize the pumps in bag 14 - looking like already octagonal cross section and also tapered? - Very good, because this is often a problem for modelers to prepare properly Thumbsup
2) bag 05 with the prepared 3 elements of the decorative rail around the tafferel - also a very problematic task usually Thumbsup
3) supports of the capstan already milled Thumbsup
4) bag 02 and 04 for the stern - cnc carved decorations and windows - would like to see the windows - also often a bigger problem to prepare, because the framing is often not rectangular Thumbsup
With such prepared details you are helping the kit modeler very much - in order to build really good ship models
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The Le Coureur is chasing the HMS Alert

sorry to highjack your topic, but I think some members would be interested in this history of the vessel.....

I guess this painting is based somehow on the well known painting Combat de la Belle Poule et de l'Aréthusa en 1778 (Fight of Belle Poule and Arethusa) from Auguste-Louis de Rossel de Cercy, painted 1789
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Excerpt:
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The British cutter Alert, Lieut. William George Fairfax, attacked the French lugger Coureur. The Alert carried eighty men, twelve 6's, and as many swivels: the Coureur had fifty men, two 3's, eight 2's, and six swivels; she was commanded by Enseigne de Rosily. She was ordered to go to the British Admiral; refused; and was at once fired upon. The two fought at pistol-shot range for nearly an hour and a half, until the Coureur struck. She hit the Alert several times on the water-line and cut up her rigging.
from Threedecks:

Lugger Le Coureur:
Cutter HMS Alert:

From wikipedia the complete description of the main fight:

Action of 17 June 1778

The Action of 17 June 1778 also known as the Fight of Belle Poule and Arethusa was a minor naval action that took place off the coast of France between British and French frigates. The action was widely celebrated by both France and Great Britain and was the first between the two naval forces during the American Revolutionary War before a formal declaration of war was even announced.

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Background
On 13 June 1778, Admiral Augustus Keppel, with twenty-one ships of the line and three frigates, was dispatched by the Admiralty to keep watch over the French fleet at Brest; Keppel was to prevent a junction of the Brest and Toulon fleets, more by persuasion if he could since both nations were not at war. The French 26-gun frigate, Belle Poule was on a reconnaissance along with the 26-gun frigate Licorne, the corvette Hirondelle, and the cutter Coureur, when on 17 June she encountered a large British squadron that included HMS Arethusa at a point 23 miles (37 km) south of The Lizard.
Admiral Keppel, commanding the British fleet, ordered that the French ships be pursued and returned to his flagship by any means since he did not want the French ships to see the British strength.

Action
Licorne did so, after being overhauled by two British ships HMS Milford, mounting 28 guns, and HMS America, of 64 guns. Licorne subsequently tried to escape during the night after having meditated on affairs, but surrendered after a brief combat with America, a vessel double her size.

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Beginning of the action

Meanwhile, Arethusa and the cutter HMS Alert caught up to Belle Poule, accompanied by the French cutter Le Courier. The captain of Belle Poule refused the order to sail back to the British fleet. The British fired a warning shot across his ship's bow, to which he responded with a full broadside. Thus a furious, two-hour battle between the two ships with Arethusa. Belle Poule was eager to escape and soon began to inflict serious damage upon Arethusa, which ended up with her topmasts hanging over the side and canvas torn. Soon after Arethusa lay shattered and then lost her main mast.

Soon the wind fell and with it the shot-torn loftier sails of Belle Poule. However, they held enough wind to drift her out of the reach of Arethusa's fire. Both ships were close under the French cliffs and Belle Poule struggled into a tiny cove in the rocks. Nothing remained for Arethusa but to cut away her wreckage, hoist what sail she could, and drag herself back under jury-masts to the British fleet.

Meanwhile, Coureur was overtaken by the British cutter Alert, and after some resistance finally cooperated with being taken to Keppel's flagship. Hirondelle escaped the engagement entirely.

Aftermath
Arethusa suffered 44 casualties from her 198-man crew, but the masts and rigging had been so severely damaged that the ship had to be towed by newly arrived British ships. As other ships from Keppel's fleet approached, Belle Poule withdrew toward the French coast having lost 30 killed and 72 wounded, among them her captain, Lieutenant Jean Isaac Chadeau de la Clocheterie.

This battle was the first between British and French naval forces during the Anglo-French War[4] and took place around three weeks before the formal declaration of war by France. Admiral Keppel himself was surprised by the reaction of the French captains as he only intended to speak with them, and then release their ships.

The battle was widely celebrated in France as a victory; ladies of the high society invented the hairstyle "Belle Poule", with a ship on the top of the head.
With the capture of Licorne and Hirondelle it was also viewed as a victory in Britain and became the subject of a traditional Sea shanty, The Saucy Arethusa.
Arethusa is also the subject of a song on the Decemberists' album Her Majesty the Decemberists.

From the length of engagement and close quarters the flying wood debris and splinters would have caused a lot of blood flow and carnage in both ships. Not a place to be either as a gun crew or above decks. Poor buggers! PT-2
 
From the length of engagement and close quarters the flying wood debris and splinters would have caused a lot of blood flow and carnage in both ships. Not a place to be either as a gun crew or above decks. Poor buggers! PT-2
I’ve often wondered how these ships survived these naval engagements.!! Imagine a ship of the line, maybe a 74, or bigger facing off against another. A lot of the cannon fire occurring at point blank range.....”pistol range”?!!?!! How did they survive.?? Seems like one volley and things would be decided.!!
Maybe they couldn’t “aim” good.??!!!! Redface ROTF
 
From the length of engagement and close quarters the flying wood debris and splinters would have caused a lot of blood flow and carnage in both ships. Not a place to be either as a gun crew or above decks. Poor buggers! PT-2
I’ve often wondered how these ships survived these naval engagements.!! Imagine a ship of the line, maybe a 74, or bigger facing off against another. A lot of the cannon fire occurring at point blank range.....”pistol range”?!!?!! How did they survive.?? Seems like one volley and things would be decided.!!
Maybe they couldn’t “aim” good.??!!!! Redface ROTF
Yes, often these fights, especially with ships of the line, were extreme and with often hundreds of injured and killed seamen.

Alert versus Le Coureur got of relatively lightly
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The La Belle Poule had much more casualities in the fight with HMS Arethusa
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During extreme fights like Trafalgar thousands of seamen were killed, see f.e. this squadron
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Total overview
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Yes, often these fights, especially with ships of the line, were extreme and with often hundreds of injured and killed seamen.

Alert versus Le Coureur got of relatively lightly
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The La Belle Poule had much more casualities in the fight with HMS Arethusa
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During extreme fights like Trafalgar thousands of seamen were killed, see f.e. this squadron
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Total overview
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From what I have learned from my younger brother who has encyclopedic knowledge of those ships of war and engagements which he is using in a lengthy series of books that he is writing; beyond the close in exchanges of carronades the longer barrels had the round shot rattling around in the bore adding to the complexities of ship role and forward motion. Chance was a large factor in hits. Other types of projectiles attempted to make up somewhat for those factors. PT-2
 
It would be a real chore to try to model the ship "post action" with damage and red on the deck.

I would bet a lot of pumping of elm pumps to scrub the desk was done after the battle.

Not to mention work for ships carpenter and rigging master.
 
It would be a real chore to try to model the ship "post action" with damage and red on the deck.

I would bet a lot of pumping of elm pumps to scrub the desk was done after the battle.

Not to mention work for ships carpenter and rigging master.
Pull out the catsup bottle and slosh it around!!! Not to think about holystoning the decks white again. PT-2
 
Pull out the catsup bottle and slosh it around!!! Not to think about holystoning the decks white again. PT-2
Wow. Two ships of war already engaged and showing battle damage. How long can this last???? Call the carpet cleaners before the wet stuff dries. PT-2
 
Over the years, I have found in the model building world (not just ships), if one can "imagine it".... someone else has probably already done it.... Thanks for sharing that nice picture..
Such as in my world of model railroading!

If you think it might look real there is probably a prototype out there somewhere!

Kurt
 
Total overview

Yes, often these fights, especially with ships of the line, were extreme and with often hundreds of injured and killed seamen.



During extreme fights like Trafalgar thousands of seamen were killed, see f.e. this squadron
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Sad, but to put things into perspective, far more died of disease. For example, until early 1800's, some 50% probably died from scurvy (vit c def.)
 
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Yes to model railroading . . . dioramas of the old days when single tracks cover the West and stop pocket watches, even of the large "railroad" type were not synchronized, there were some head-on collisions and loss of life with exploding boilers if not cannon fire. Plenty of carnage there too I would guess. Happy building in both venues. PT-2
 
Yes to model railroading . . . dioramas of the old days when single tracks cover the West and stop pocket watches, even of the large "railroad" type were not synchronized, there were some head-on collisions and loss of life with exploding boilers if not cannon fire. Plenty of carnage there too I would guess. Happy building in both venues. PT-2
If you look at it that way, doll houses are the only “safe “modelling Option. ROTF
 
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