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Occre - HMS Revenge 1577 - scale 1/85, 2nd build and why

Richie said:
Unfortunately an injury has still stopped any more progress, hopefully will be able get building again soon as the rigging awaits me.
However I have been able to see the progress of other logs on this forum which has given me motivation to start again as soon as I am able.
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Get well soon, Richie
 
DARIVS ARCHITECTVS said:
Well Richie, we can certainly help allay your fears of rigging with some helpful advice, but we can't stop you from throwing yourself down any more flights of stairs. Sorry dood. ;)
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:D yes true, thank you, meantime there is plenty to see in this group watching progress of other builds.
 
While recovering from my damaging escapade I wanted to keep doing a bit of modelling when I could.
The Revenge is still in dry dock and while waiting to start on the rigging as it was going to be fiddly work which I wasn’t ready for.
My goal in the meantime was to build a small project and not worry too much about the finer details and just keep it light and breezy, it was really just to keep my mind and hands busy for now.
I happened to have this project in the cupboard which I was going to do after the Revenge but decided now was the time.

If interested please take a look.

HMS Sirius 1786 Deck Cannon - Modellers Shipyard 1:20 [COMPLETED BUILD]

While recovering from my damaging escapade I wanted to keep doing a bit of modelling when I could. The Revenge is still in dry dock while waiting to start on the rigging as it was going to be fiddly work which I wasn’t yet ready for. My goal in the meantime was to build a small project and not...
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I feel a little sheepish poking my head out of my shell after spending the last few months watching some amazing work progress elsewhere on SOS, apologies if anyone is still wanting to see some progress on my version of the Revenge.

While no work in a practical sense has occurred there has been plenty of mental gymnastics going on.

Here is a summary but mainly it's me thinking out aloud, happy to have any feedback to correct any of my thoughts.

I have gone over the supplied Occre plans and colour coded all the lines trying to figure out the rigging but there are still some loose ends I couldn't figure out.
Pretty sure they are a simplified version overall so my idea is to see if I can incorporate some extra detail using this Kriegsschiff sheet from the internet or SOS(can't remember) as a reference and any other documentation collected along the way.

The issue with the extra drawing it's only a side view so any lines going to the deck I don't really know where they go.
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I didn't really like the Occre thread so am going to replace it, I ordered some new thread from Ropes of Scale(not delivered yet) based on the lengths of the 2 sizes supplied from Occre, but latter I read an unrelated comment somewhere there were many different rope sizes used on a ship which hadn't occurred to me before, doh!

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So if I was going to make it at least somewhat more realistic I needed more thread, using the Mondfeld spreadsheet which I am pretty sure I got also from SOS it worked out as 26 different size ropes, now I am not going to go that far and could probably group some together to roughly halve it, this is still a work in progress to work out how much of each size and colour I will need.


The kit supplied deadeyes were round so I have changed them to triangular which is more age appropriate for this ship.
Another dilemma I have been grappling with though is mounting the deadeyes.
There are a few options, one is the kit supplied way which Heinrich also described very well in his log for the Batavia, another is using chains but I am not convinced chains were around in that form from the time period, and finally a linkage arrangement which is on the Victory version of this ship, however this way would need me to manufacture all the pieces from scratch which is probably not going to happen, so for me I think I am left with the first option.

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I will be putting sails on this ship as it's part of the reason I got it to get some experience mounting them.
Not sure yet if I will use the kit supplied sails which are a bit on the thick side or go to the trouble of making my own.

As a bit of an aside I have been following this log on a scratch build of the Revenge in 1/75 scale, it is in Russian so google translate to the rescue which does make me smile in some of the translations as I am not sure they are 100% correct.
There is plenty of discussion on every detail and aspect of the build which is more than I will attempt but interesting none the less.


Next step will be to mount the deadeys and once I work out and order all the threads needed(I won't be making my own) I will start attaching all the blocks to the mast and yards.
 
Of course we want to see each and every update - now matter how small. It is great to se you return to the Revenge and make no mistake - the preliminary work you are doing now, is no less important than any other part of the build.
 
Heinrich said:
Of course we want to see each and every update - now matter how small. It is great to se you return to the Revenge and make no mistake - the preliminary work you are doing now, is no less important than any other part of the build.
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Thank you Heinrich, learning off those who have been before me.
 
While I am hardly an experienced builder I would affirm your thinking in several places.

First, not making your own ropes. While that has been a marvelous learning experience for me and in many ways I'm glad I made my own ropes I think on future builds I will just buy rope. They are several vendors who make an exceptional product and while it's more expensive to purchase ropes the time-value makes it a good choice.

Second, simplifying the rope sizes. On my Vasa I am using about a dozen sizes of rope (not counting my stays which are larger but needed in only short lengths). I believe you can accomplish all of your rigging goals with 10 -15 ropes - maybe even less.

The upgraded deadeyes was a proper decision - but now, what about blocks? Can you use the Occre kit parts? And have they supplied enough because I don't think you will be satisfied with two different kinds (or do they sell their own blocks aftermarket?). And with more varied rope sizes will you also need to correspondingly vary the block sizes? What a can of worms... ROTF
 
Here are a few perfections in galleon rigging!!!
Enjoy! :)
collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk

Elizabethan Galleon, 'Elizabeth Jonas' | Science Museum Group Collection

Model ship, with full rigging and figure on deck. 1:48 scale model of the Elizabethan galleon, 'Elizabeth Jonas', built c.1600. Constructed by Science Museum model maker Philip Davies, in the workshops at South Kensington, London, in 1931. The human figure was a later addition made by Barbara...
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Galerie » *neu* 1593 flämische Galeone

Vollrumpfmodell mit Segel in 1:48 Meine Rekonstruktion in 3D und dann im Holz. Quelle-Zeichnung von Bjorn Landstrom im Buch "Das Schiff". Und nat&uu
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Rigging these ships is a wonderfull job to do. A lot of crowfeet on many place to make. I use the book of Peter Kirsch, Die galeonen (the gallions) there is a rigging plan in the book. He made the rigging plan of this ship with the help of RC Anderson.
 
kirill4 said:
Dear Richie,
Wishing you a quick recovery and looking forward your rigging progress.
All the best!!!
Kirill
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Thank you very much Kirill, doing ok now.
Thank you for the reference links, I did know about the first one but not the second, I shall study and try to put it all together as I progress.
I see you have a link to the Rijksmuseum, are these all yours on the studio page, no wonder you have a wealth of knowledge on the subject.
 
Steef66 said:
Rigging these ships is a wonderfull job to do. A lot of crowfeet on many place to make. I use the book of Peter Kirsch, Die galeonen (the gallions) there is a rigging plan in the book. He made the rigging plan of this ship with the help of RC Anderson.
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Thank you Steel66, the rigging work on your Spanish Galleon is amazing and something to aspire too.
Is the Peter Kirsch book "Die galeonen" similar too this one from him "The Galleon the great ships of the armada era".
 
dockattner said:
While I am hardly an experienced builder I would affirm your thinking in several places.

First, not making your own ropes. While that has been a marvelous learning experience for me and in many ways I'm glad I made my own ropes I think on future builds I will just buy rope. They are several vendors who make an exceptional product and while it's more expensive to purchase ropes the time-value makes it a good choice.

Second, simplifying the rope sizes. On my Vasa I am using about a dozen sizes of rope (not counting my stays which are larger but needed in only short lengths). I believe you can accomplish all of your rigging goals with 10 -15 ropes - maybe even less.

The upgraded deadeyes was a proper decision - but now, what about blocks? Can you use the Occre kit parts? And have they supplied enough because I don't think you will be satisfied with two different kinds (or do they sell their own blocks aftermarket?). And with more varied rope sizes will you also need to correspondingly vary the block sizes? What a can of worms... ROTF
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Experienced or not Paul your work is superb so happy to have your feedback, thank you.

One day I may venture into rope building but that time is not now.

Yes my initial count is 14 but that may change, the challenge for me will be identifying the names and matching the location.

Now I did think about the blocks as well and have replaced them with wooden ones as they were originally plastic:)
However the same as the rigging ropes I replaced them like for like for like, now you have identified I need to have different size blocks as well :oops:, indeed the proverbial can of worms.

I feel like I am still the paint by numbers guy and trying to paint the Mona Lisa:eek: which probably wont end well, certainly not fit for a museum.
 
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