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Pinnace Papegojan 1627 - 1/48 [COMPLETED BUILD]

Ab Hoving said:
I think you are lucky, the publisher has some English versions left:
verloren.nl

The Ships of Abel Tasman

The Ships of Abel Tasman
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Mind you, the CD-Rom was made in the nineties for a since long outdated version of Windows. It seems still possible to use it, but not in the way it was intended in those days.
Good luck!
Ab
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AB that is fantastic news. And CD included.
Thank you.

Is that link you forwarded to me definately the english version as i couldnt see anywhere on the product description "English Language".

AB you made my day...lol.....I thank you very much for your great help. I have been after this title for a long time.

Regards
Steven
 
Ab Hoving said:
You are welcome Steven, and yes, the English version is available.
Have fun building the models!
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I definately will. The Shipways Papegojan 1627 is very much identical to Abel Tasmans Heemskerck, so i will base the framing on that and all the detailing on your book. Again thank you for all your help.
 
With all due respect to Shipways Company, taking the single decked Papagojan as the basis for a VOC vessel that had to sail to the other side of the world is definitely a historically doubtful decision. Two decks for such a ship is a must in my opinion. Even the simple fluit ship Zeehaen had two decks.
But don't let me intervene with your plans.
:)
 
Ab Hoving said:
With all due respect to Shipways Company, taking the single decked Papagojan as the basis for a VOC vessel that had to sail to the other side of the world is definitely a historically doubtful decision. Two decks for such a ship is a must in my opinion. Even the simple fluit ship Zeehaen had two decks.
But don't let me intervene with your plans.
:)
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I probably didnt explain my intentions well. I will only use the method of hull construction of the Papagojan as i like the rigidity and the abundace of bulkheads they use in the way they assemble their models. For me it just makes planking alot easier. So I will create images of all the hull components of the Papagojan and using Solid Works i will redesign all lengths dimensions and countours of the bulkheads correctly as per the information i can get from your book and the plans provided within.
That is why i was so desperately looking for it, and I bought it yesterday....thank you.
Rigging and all deck details will come mainly from your book as well.

My interest in Dutch ships originated from Historical wargaming. started perdominately with napoleonic naval battles but i have for some time got more interested in the Anglo Dutch Wars. Bigger fleet actions, nicer ships and amazing historical events. so im building a very large Dutch fleet at the moment in 1/600 scale, in 3D resin

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Yes, I totally misunderstood you. All clear now, thank you.
Beautiful model ! What did you use as material?
Also an interesting way to get hooked up in this matter. Never saw that before.
Ab
 
Ab Hoving said:
Yes, I totally misunderstood you. All clear now, thank you.
Beautiful model ! What did you use as material?
Also an interesting way to get hooked up in this matter. Never saw that before.
Ab
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The material used was liquid resin (water cleanable) to avoid the heavy odours. Used the Elagoo saturn 3 printer to produce the model. Quite good detail for the scale. Even the scroll work below the beak of the ship is clearly defined. I have attached a napoleonic period frigate complete in 1/1000 scale (french frigate sybille) just so you get an idea if final product we use for naval games. rigging and ratlines are not fun at this scale with abit of improvising.

Ab also after a copy of Dutch Merchant Ships (17th century) . I think it was written by AB Hoving, you might know of him he does great work....lol.
Could be out of print but do you know where to find a copy. found a paperback on ebay.....abit expensive but for obvious reasons prefer a hardcover

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mati.n said:
Thank you all once again for many birthday wishes!
Take care all.. and keep building :P

Cheers,
Matt
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Mati i cannot stop looking at your shipmodel. Congratulations on building such a wonderful model. It is perfection. For some reason my computer turns on and it goes straight to this thread time and time again lol. well done Mati
 
mati.n said:
Thank you @Uwek for nice comment.
As much I will have opportunity to continue working on my model I'll post some updates :)

Currently I'm involved in unequal fight with shrouds and lanyards ROTF
Maybe it's not perfect... but I'm doing my best to do it properly.
At the moment I have completed mizzen mast and I'm in the middle of main mast.

Obviously lanyards are loose at that stage. Final adjustments will be done when all shrouds and stays will be in place.

For equal distance between deadeyes I'm using this happy jig :p
Rope of main mast lanyards 0,4mm

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Mizzen mast "ready" however excess of the ropes still not circumcised to final length ROTFROTF
Rope of mizzen mast lanyards 0,25mm

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Cheers,
Matt
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Mati do you use polester for all ropes, standing and running rigging. even the heavier grade ropes like anchor ropes. the way you finished them just doesnt look like polyester at all
 
dockattner said:
Hello Sid, Mati hasn't been on the forum in years. If I recall he used Gutermann E121 (or similar) exclusively.
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Pity that. Thanks Paul for letting me know and im glad you got the critical info.....appreciate your reply. Just trying to absorb all the info here. Really impressed by this model
 
Sid said:
Ab also after a copy of Dutch Merchant Ships (17th century) . I think it was written by AB Hoving, you might know of him he does great work....lol.
Could be out of print but do you know where to find a copy. found a paperback on ebay.....abit expensive but for obvious reasons prefer a hardcover
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Paperback version on E-Bay? That cannot be an honest offer. Pirates...

I didn't know Dutch Merchant ships was sold out. I suggested the publisher to bring it back to the shop as a digital book. Waiting for his reaction.
 
Ab Hoving said:
Paperback version on E-Bay? That cannot be an honest offer. Pirates...

I didn't know Dutch Merchant ships was sold out. I suggested the publisher to bring it back to the shop as a digital book. Waiting for his reaction.
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AB heres the link.
www.ebay.com.au

17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships: Text, Photos and Plans for the Ship Modeler | eBay Australia

SeaWatch Books, LLC, Florence, OR published the book. It is in new condition. It is still in its shrink wrap. The book is 9” x 11 1 / 2 ” tall and 152 pages. SeaWatch Books, LLC. Save money when you buy more than one item (lot) from us!
www.ebay.com.au

Unless they have made a mistake.....in the book description it says softcover
 
Ab Hoving said:
I understand. The book consists of two parts, the hardcover book and the softcover folder containing the plans. Seems all right, hope it is affordable...
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Cheers AB. I went ahead and purchased it. Didnt want to risk losing it.

I also picked up Dutch 17th Century Ship Models in Paper. Lovely books and i really appreciate what you have produced for both modellers and those interested in the Dutch ships of the period. Now i have 3 of your books.....lol

AB I have been thinking about the way i am to tackle the building of the Heemskerck and would like your opinion on how i am to create and dress the hull. Keep in mind my purpose is to simplify the build and build cost. and most impotantly allow for a process that will be quick.

Most modellers like to present the final product with no colour, highlighting the wood and workmanship. For me i prefer to add colour/paint where applicable and to represent it as it was historically.
Because of that it allows me to some extent to not be too concerned about the materials i use. the construction would be ribs and keel with balsa fillers. So in essence it becomes a solid hull.
After looking at your planking templates shown on the pdfs i received (Dutch 17th Century Ship Models in Paper) it gave me an idea.
What is you opinion on planking the Solid hull with cardboard planks in the form as shown in the book. The solid hull will provide the strength and a very light sand should improve the finish, Do you think its something that would work? ......never worked with paper/cardboard models so im not sure.

The other option is a very thin (0.4mm) veneer cut as per your planking method for paper models as well. (but the cardboard option would be very quick to complete)
 
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