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San Francisco AL build log

Hello there, after quite some difficulties making and placing the gallery I was finally able to do so.

I had the gallery placed at a very steep angle since I was quite tired yesterday night. Then, today in the morning I was quite surprised at how weird it looked so I had to fix it. Took a lot of courage since it was very well glued and I think I took a big risk of breaking the gallery or the second layer of the hull planking. Thankfully nothing too big happened and was easily repaired.

Still needs some detailing but I'll wait for the glue to completely dry before.

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A small update after being absent for some time. I finally tried and succeeded using brass black for the cannons. I really liked the results and it was far easier than I expected. Then I finished (to the best of my abilities) the first sample gun and carriage following Jimskys post, which greatly helped me. Even though mine isn't as detailed or refined as his, I am quite happy with the results. Now I should start "mass production" this week of the 11 that I still need to make.

Next to the upgraded cannon I show the one that came with the AL kit which now by comparison I find much less refined (especially the carriage).

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When I build my SF II, the cannons will be of the old style, but instead of using the metal carriages, wooden carriages will be scratch built so they will look better.
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Sounds great. I'm really looking forward to following your SF log when you start. I debated myself quite a lot deciding which barrel to use as I quite like this one too but the new one looked too good IMO and was simply easier to mount on the new carriage. I only don't know if the new one looks appropriate for the time period but I guess it probably does. If not it would be great if someone could point that to me since I'm still not very knowledgeable in this subject.
 
Sounds great. I'm really looking forward to following your SF log when you start. I debated myself quite a lot deciding which barrel to use as I quite like this one too but the new one looked too good IMO and was simply easier to mount on the new carriage. I only don't know if the new one looks appropriate for the time period but I guess it probably does. If not it would be great if someone could point that to me since I'm still not very knowledgeable in this subject.
Since no one knows what type of carriage was used on the San Francisco, we have to guess. The carriages below are from around that time period, and which deck the guns are on affected the size of the guns as well. I will probably choose the guns on the right for SF II.
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The old Model Ship Builder website used to have an article on the San Francisco, which I saved before the site went away. Here is an excerpt regarding the armament:

"The type of guns the San Francisco most likely carried is an interesting point. During the late sixteenth century naval armament production included the use of materials such as cast iron, brass, bronze, and wrought iron. Unlike many other European countries, Spain was still using predominately wrought iron guns on its ships. These were made of iron rods or strips that were held together with iron bands. If the San Francisco had brass (or bronze) guns it would have been quite modern by Spain’s standards and it would have been thanks to the investment of the Duke of Tuscany. In addition to the guns, the carriages that were likely used are of interest. A typical period British ship would have been using a fourwheeled carriage. This is because by the end of the 16th century many countries, such as England, were beginning to move away from boarding tactics to a focus on standing off and battering the enemy. Spain, which still considered using a broadside of heavy gunnery as a brief and preliminary action prior to boarding, was still using two wheeled carriages. These looked mildly similar to contemporary field artillery pieces and were difficult to aim and reload on a ship. But it is possible that if the Duke of Tuscany had invested in modern guns for the Florencia, he would have also insisted on four-wheeled carriages. Most sources note that the San Francisco carried 52 guns, this number would have included all armament from swivel guns to the largest cannon. Whatever type of guns the San Francisco originally carried, by the time she took part in the Armada 1588 she may not have possessed all of her original armament. This is because the Armada was so short of guns that it was ordered that they were to be taken from well-appointed vessels and redistributed throughout the Armada."

I have collected other information from research from other SF II builders and other sources if you are interested. One builder redesigned the hull, deck heights, and location of the wales to match a contemporary painting of a Spanish galleon which he hoped was a more accurate depiction than the design Artesania Latina used to make this model, and he modified his model extensively.

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Since no one knows what type of carriage was used on the San Francisco, we have to guess. The carriages below are from around that time period, and which deck the guns are on affected the size of the guns as well. I will probably choose the guns on the right for SF II.
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The old Model Ship Builder website used to have an article on the San Francisco, which I saved before the site went away. Here is an excerpt regarding the armament:

"The type of guns the San Francisco most likely carried is an interesting point. During the late sixteenth century naval armament production included the use of materials such as cast iron, brass, bronze, and wrought iron. Unlike many other European countries, Spain was still using predominately wrought iron guns on its ships. These were made of iron rods or strips that were held together with iron bands. If the San Francisco had brass (or bronze) guns it would have been quite modern by Spain’s standards and it would have been thanks to the investment of the Duke of Tuscany. In addition to the guns, the carriages that were likely used are of interest. A typical period British ship would have been using a fourwheeled carriage. This is because by the end of the 16th century many countries, such as England, were beginning to move away from boarding tactics to a focus on standing off and battering the enemy. Spain, which still considered using a broadside of heavy gunnery as a brief and preliminary action prior to boarding, was still using two wheeled carriages. These looked mildly similar to contemporary field artillery pieces and were difficult to aim and reload on a ship. But it is possible that if the Duke of Tuscany had invested in modern guns for the Florencia, he would have also insisted on four-wheeled carriages. Most sources note that the San Francisco carried 52 guns, this number would have included all armament from swivel guns to the largest cannon. Whatever type of guns the San Francisco originally carried, by the time she took part in the Armada 1588 she may not have possessed all of her original armament. This is because the Armada was so short of guns that it was ordered that they were to be taken from well-appointed vessels and redistributed throughout the Armada."

I have collected other information from research from other SF II builders and other sources if you are interested. One builder redesigned the hull, deck heights, and location of the wales to match a contemporary painting of a Spanish galleon which he hoped was a more accurate depiction than the design Artesania Latina used to make this model, and he modified his model extensively.

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That's very helpful and interesting. Thank you so much! I had not really found much info regarding SF apart from Wikipedia .

Yes I'm interested in the other info you've gathered. While ot might be too late for my SF to redesign the hull (besides that i wouldn't know how to physically do it) maybe I can use it as inspiration for the details that I still need to do.
 
Since no one knows what type of carriage was used on the San Francisco, we have to guess. The carriages below are from around that time period, and which deck the guns are on affected the size of the guns as well. I will probably choose the guns on the right for SF II.
View attachment 537664

The old Model Ship Builder website used to have an article on the San Francisco, which I saved before the site went away. Here is an excerpt regarding the armament:

"The type of guns the San Francisco most likely carried is an interesting point. During the late sixteenth century naval armament production included the use of materials such as cast iron, brass, bronze, and wrought iron. Unlike many other European countries, Spain was still using predominately wrought iron guns on its ships. These were made of iron rods or strips that were held together with iron bands. If the San Francisco had brass (or bronze) guns it would have been quite modern by Spain’s standards and it would have been thanks to the investment of the Duke of Tuscany. In addition to the guns, the carriages that were likely used are of interest. A typical period British ship would have been using a fourwheeled carriage. This is because by the end of the 16th century many countries, such as England, were beginning to move away from boarding tactics to a focus on standing off and battering the enemy. Spain, which still considered using a broadside of heavy gunnery as a brief and preliminary action prior to boarding, was still using two wheeled carriages. These looked mildly similar to contemporary field artillery pieces and were difficult to aim and reload on a ship. But it is possible that if the Duke of Tuscany had invested in modern guns for the Florencia, he would have also insisted on four-wheeled carriages. Most sources note that the San Francisco carried 52 guns, this number would have included all armament from swivel guns to the largest cannon. Whatever type of guns the San Francisco originally carried, by the time she took part in the Armada 1588 she may not have possessed all of her original armament. This is because the Armada was so short of guns that it was ordered that they were to be taken from well-appointed vessels and redistributed throughout the Armada."

I have collected other information from research from other SF II builders and other sources if you are interested. One builder redesigned the hull, deck heights, and location of the wales to match a contemporary painting of a Spanish galleon which he hoped was a more accurate depiction than the design Artesania Latina used to make this model, and he modified his model extensively.

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Also, watching these images I can perfectly understand why you plan on keeping the original guns and scratch build the carriage.
 
That's very helpful and interesting. Thank you so much! I had not really found much info regarding SF apart from Wikipedia .

Yes I'm interested in the other info you've gathered. While ot might be too late for my SF to redesign the hull (besides that i wouldn't know how to physically do it) maybe I can use it as inspiration for the details that I still need to do.
Here are some more bits of info which may be helpful in choosing features to modify on SF II. See attachments. It's everything I have so far. Most information is based on assumptions by made on previous models since we don't know what SF looked like. Generic galleon rigging is typically used, for example.

Spanish galleon in museum
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Fantastic custom paint job on the SF II kit. I truly love the green.
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Here are some more bits of info which may be helpful in choosing features to modify on SF II. See attachments. It's everything I have so far. Most information is based on assumptions by made on previous models since we don't know what SF looked like. Generic galleon rigging is typically used, for example.

Spanish galleon in museum
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Fantastic custom paint job on the SF II kit. I truly love the green.
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Thanks for such for this very interesting and useful info. I'll be studying it these days and will decide what to do about the cannons.
 
On a San Mateo I built years ago, I modified the carriages and installed older cannons. They probably weren't exactly like this, but they do look older.

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Muchas gracias Lorenzo, me gustaron mucho tus cañones. Ahora realmente estoy dudando si debería intentar hacer unos similares o seguir con mi plan original.

Thank you very much Lorenzo, I really liked your cannons. Now I'm really hesitating whether I should try to make similar ones or stick with my original plan.
 
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