Thanks Dave! Your instructions are perfect as well as timely since I’m working on my Le Rochefort deck planking at the moment.
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Today i will continue with the deck construction moving forward i am starting with the deck beam aft of the windlass posts.
the two beams where the windlass post sit have notches in them. The posts for the windlass take a lot of stress and are held in place. Some vessels hold the post in place between carlings like this along with a heavy plank, The post is locked in place and can not move side to side or fore and aft.
The Hawke the beams are too close together so the beams are notched to hold the windlass posts from moving.
the two beams where the windlass post sit have notches in them. The posts for the windlass take a lot of stress and are held in place. Some vessels hold the post in place between carlings like this along with a heavy plank, The post is locked in place and can not move side to side or fore and aft.
The Hawke the beams are too close together so the beams are notched to hold the windlass posts from moving.
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first is to make marks where the notches go. I prefer using a knife to make marks rather than a pencil it is more accurate
Over time using a knife i have cut a shallow stop cut then tried to make the cuts for notches and time and time again over ran the stop cut and sliced off a corner or split the wood past the stop cut. What i do to avoid a slip is in cut a V to the stop cut. I am cutting downward so there is little chance of slipping past the stop cut.
Now it is just a matter of removing the material at the center between the V cuts, shaving a little at a time and deepening the stop cut as needed.
once i finish one beam i line up another and repeat the notches
The notches do not have to be too deep just enough to hold the windless posts in place
first is to make marks where the notches go. I prefer using a knife to make marks rather than a pencil it is more accurate
Over time using a knife i have cut a shallow stop cut then tried to make the cuts for notches and time and time again over ran the stop cut and sliced off a corner or split the wood past the stop cut. What i do to avoid a slip is in cut a V to the stop cut. I am cutting downward so there is little chance of slipping past the stop cut.
Now it is just a matter of removing the material at the center between the V cuts, shaving a little at a time and deepening the stop cut as needed.
once i finish one beam i line up another and repeat the notches
The notches do not have to be too deep just enough to hold the windless posts in place
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Moving forward there are 2 carlings to frame in the grating. The carlings are smaller than the beams and the beams have an arch so the pieces of wood are holding up the carlings so they are even with the top of the beams. Once again i stress making sure your work is always square. I am using a square piece of Onix which was once part of a chess board.
For the mast partners they are usually in two pieces but i am cutting it in one piece.
first i drill holes for the masts
it is easier to layout the piece around the hole rather than trying to drill a hole in the center of a small piece
after the partner is cut out i need two notches in the corners for posts.
watch which way the grain is running i clamped the partner in the vice and with a razor saw cut along the vice.
The grain is running up and down so it is easy to use a razor blade and split the notch
For the mast partners they are usually in two pieces but i am cutting it in one piece.
first i drill holes for the masts
it is easier to layout the piece around the hole rather than trying to drill a hole in the center of a small piece
after the partner is cut out i need two notches in the corners for posts.
watch which way the grain is running i clamped the partner in the vice and with a razor saw cut along the vice.
The grain is running up and down so it is easy to use a razor blade and split the notch
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Back in the classroom
Sometimes when you are researching you hit a snag. Your sources do not agree with one another or down right contradict one another. Howard Chapell in his philosophy stresses historical accuracy. When you build a model with errors you're putting that forward and way to often builders that come after you or use your work as a reference the error continues.
here are the finished sections of the deck next i will trim down the beams and fit each section into the hull. Then add lodging knees and tie everything together.
Notice the section to the far right and the grating location. here is the original deck layout it is showing two gratings. What happened?
The wider yellow section is the location of the gun port.
When your drawing in 2D sometimes it is difficult to see in 3D and how everything relates to one another. While building the deck and checking my work to the hull i noticed something seems to be "not right" I over laid a top view of a 4 pound cannon and carriage on the deck and sure enough there is not enough room to fit a cannon it would sit on top of the grating.
You cannot move the grating for or aft so i reduced the size but that still did not give enough room for a cannon. Next i tried to move the gratings closer to center but that did not work either.
going back to the original source i took a look at the drawings in Chapelle's book. Yes it does show two gratings in the deck layout. The gun port tinted green and the gratings tinted red are i conflict with each other.
I noticed the deck layout is not from an original admiralty drawing it is a reconstruction. Either Chapelle made a mistake or someone under him made an error.
The next thing i did was to check the model built by Harold Hahn thinking maybe i got something wrong and maybe a cannon does fit there.
Zooming in at the bow there is the forward gun port tinted green. Harold Hahn notices the problem so what he did was to include the gun ports at the bow but notice he did not put a cannon on the model. I know Harold did visit Chapelle at his home and they became friends over the years. maybe Harold did not want to point out errors to his friend, so he just let it pass.
Now it is my problem! and my solution is if you notice there is a grating drawn on the original admiralty plan so it is definitely there but why two? my solution was to put one grating in the center now you have the grating like shown on the original plan and room for cannons although a tight fit.
so there you have it and why Chapelle stressed accuracy even though he himself was not immune to errors.
Sometimes when you are researching you hit a snag. Your sources do not agree with one another or down right contradict one another. Howard Chapell in his philosophy stresses historical accuracy. When you build a model with errors you're putting that forward and way to often builders that come after you or use your work as a reference the error continues.
here are the finished sections of the deck next i will trim down the beams and fit each section into the hull. Then add lodging knees and tie everything together.
Notice the section to the far right and the grating location. here is the original deck layout it is showing two gratings. What happened?
The wider yellow section is the location of the gun port.
When your drawing in 2D sometimes it is difficult to see in 3D and how everything relates to one another. While building the deck and checking my work to the hull i noticed something seems to be "not right" I over laid a top view of a 4 pound cannon and carriage on the deck and sure enough there is not enough room to fit a cannon it would sit on top of the grating.
You cannot move the grating for or aft so i reduced the size but that still did not give enough room for a cannon. Next i tried to move the gratings closer to center but that did not work either.
going back to the original source i took a look at the drawings in Chapelle's book. Yes it does show two gratings in the deck layout. The gun port tinted green and the gratings tinted red are i conflict with each other.
I noticed the deck layout is not from an original admiralty drawing it is a reconstruction. Either Chapelle made a mistake or someone under him made an error.
The next thing i did was to check the model built by Harold Hahn thinking maybe i got something wrong and maybe a cannon does fit there.
Zooming in at the bow there is the forward gun port tinted green. Harold Hahn notices the problem so what he did was to include the gun ports at the bow but notice he did not put a cannon on the model. I know Harold did visit Chapelle at his home and they became friends over the years. maybe Harold did not want to point out errors to his friend, so he just let it pass.
Now it is my problem! and my solution is if you notice there is a grating drawn on the original admiralty plan so it is definitely there but why two? my solution was to put one grating in the center now you have the grating like shown on the original plan and room for cannons although a tight fit.
so there you have it and why Chapelle stressed accuracy even though he himself was not immune to errors.