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USCG Harriet Lane - Model Shipways 1:96 by DocTom

Magic Mike! My man! I need to shift one of my record players to the shipyard :cool: On the other hand, I'll have to stop what I'm doing every 30 mins to turn the album over ROTF:eek::eek:ROTFROTF

Blessings.
Chuck
It's not a problem Chuck! I have one of the old fashioned stackable spindles where I can stack six albums at a time. In that way I have about three hours of pure Byrd enjoyment without having to leave the workbench! Mike
 
Post 4 - Some Research

While not gaping at the natural beauty of Iceland and Greenland, I’ve been studying build logs of the Harriet Lane, including @The Gavel’s build documenting his impressive model of the Harriet Lane from the same kit. Besides outlining some of the problems with the kit, it has great discussions of her guns and boats, and the proper placement of the auxiliary ship’s wheel and capstan, based on William Webb’s published plans. I like to ask “why,” and I started wondering why the Model Shipways kit differs from the known plans of the Harriet Lane, particularly the placement of the ship’s wheel and deck furniture. So I started digging.

If you do a search for USRC Harriet Lane plans, you will likely come up with this:Harriet Lane - body plan, cross-sections, centerline section, half-breadth plan & gun deck plan.jpg

from the Internet Archive. This is from William Webb’s 1895 folio “Plans of Wooden Vessels Selected as Types.” However, I don’t think these are the plans of the Harriet Lane, for several reasons. First, all the other plans in the folio are labeled with the name of the vessel depicted. These are labeled “US Revenue Cutter of 600 Tons April 1857.” The only thing identifying them as the Harriet Lane was clearly added by the website that published them.

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Second, the folio contains a plan labeled “Harriet Lane” different from these plans. Third, these plans are identical to the plans for the “America” in the same publication.

It’s good to try to get to primary sources. The East Carolina University has a digital copy of the original folio online. Here is the index:

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You can see the US Revenue Cutter of 600 Tons plans are distinct from the Harriet Lane plans.

Here are the Revenue Cutter plans from the original folio. No inset about the Harriet Lane.

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It’s easy enough to understand why SharingHistory.com mislabeled them - William Webb, Revenue Cutter, 1857 - must be the Harriet Lane!

By comparison, here are the plans of the 1855 “America”

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They are identical except for the name of the ship.

Here are the real plans of the Harriet Lane:
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The wheel appears to be at the very stern, as in the Model Shipways kit. The arrangement of skylights and companionways also closely matches the kit, except for a round structure abaft the aft companionway. I don’t know if this is a round skylight or a capstan.

To that end I found an interesting thread about the Harriet Lane on the Fine Scale Modeler forum from 2007. It is about a plastic kit that was supposedly based on the old MS kit. One of the participants was John Tilley, who was commissioned by the US Coast Guard Historian’s Office to make this drawing of the Harriet Lane.
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He says he based it on plans commissioned by the Simthonian Institute and drawn by Merritt Edson in the 1960s. The MS kit may be based on the same plans. Tilley thought the Harriet Lane probably didn’t have a capstan:

“I don’t think she had a capstan. The windlass in the bow would have taken over the capstan’s functions. There would be nothing unusual about a ship having both a capstan and a windlass - but this vessel’s rigging was simple enough that I doubt the capstan would have been necessary.”

He also commented that documentation of the Harriet Lane is sparse - whether her name was on the stern (probably) her color (probably black but maybe dark green) and the number of boats (most likely 4 when she was a Navy vessel, could have been 2 or 4 when in the Revenue Service). The thread is a very interesting read. Harriet Lane Discussion

Webb’s plan for the Harriet Lane is much less detailed than many of the other plans in the folio, unfortunately for us modelers. No indication of the boats or guns. There do appear to be 2 pin rails abaft the paddle wheels. And no sail plan.

My plan is to model the Harriet Lane as she was when launched as a Revenue Cutter. All of this makes me feel comfortable leaving the wheel, skylights and companionways where they are on the kit. I will likely interpret the round structure forward of the wheel as a skylight - it seems too close to the companionway to be a capstan. I’m still not certain about the boats. The majority of the 19th century illustrations show her with 4 (but also depict her Civil War Navy service) but at least one shows her with 2.

IMG_0295.jpeg

This was a fun rabbit hole to go down. In the end, we can interpret our Harriet Lanes however we like, but at least now I think I understand why David Antscherl made the choices he did for the Model Shipways kit.

If anyone has any thoughts on the round structure aft of the companionway on the true Harriet Lane plan, I’d appreciate it.
 
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Tom, I seem to remember that there was an article in the Nautical Research Journal about Harriett Lane’s armament. I don’t remember the date except that it would have been sometime after 1975 when I began receiving copies. There is an on line index on their website and they will email you the article for a nominal charge.

Meanwhile, enjoy your trip.

Roger
 
Post 4 - Some Research

While not gaping at the natural beauty of Iceland and Greenland, I’ve been studying build logs of the Harriet Lane, including @The Gavel’s build documenting his impressive model of the Harriet Lane from the same kit. Besides outlining some of the problems with the kit, it has great discussions of her guns and boats, and the proper placement of the auxiliary ship’s wheel and capstan, based on William Webb’s published plans. I like to ask “why,” and I started wondering why the Model Shipways kit differs from the known plans of the Harriet Lane, particularly the placement of the ship’s wheel and deck furniture. So I started digging.

If you do a search for USRC Harriet Lane plans, you will likely come up with this:View attachment 615418

from the Internet Archive. This is from William Webb’s 1895 folio “Plans of Wooden Vessels Selected as Types.” However, I don’t think these are the plans of the Harriet Lane, for several reasons. First, all the other plans in the folio are labeled with the name of the vessel depicted. These are labeled “US Revenue Cutter of 600 Tons April 1857.” The only thing identifying them as the Harriet Lane was clearly added by the website that published them.

View attachment 615423
Second, the folio contains a plan labeled “Harriet Lane” different from these plans. Third, these plans are identical to the plans for the “America” in the same publication.

It’s good to try to get to primary sources. The East Carolina University has a digital copy of the original folio online. Here is the index:

View attachment 615424

You can see the US Revenue Cutter of 600 Tons plans are distinct from the Harriet Lane plans.

Here are the Revenue Cutter plans from the original folio. No inset about the Harriet Lane.

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It’s easy enough to understand why SharingHistory.com mislabeled them - William Webb, Revenue Cutter, 1857 - must be the Harriet Lane!

By comparison, here are the plans of the 1855 “America”

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View attachment 615426

They are identical except for the name of the ship.

Here are the real plans of the Harriet Lane:
View attachment 615429

The wheel appears to be at the very stern, as in the Model Shipways kit. The arrangement of skylights and companionways also closely matches the kit, except for a round structure abaf the aft companionway. I don’t know if this is a round skylight or a capstan.

To that end I found an interesting thread about the Harriet Lane on the Fine Scale Modeler forum from 2007. It is about a plastic kit that was supposedly based on the old MS kit. One of the participants was John Tilley, who was commissioned by the US Coast Guard Historian’s Office to make this drawing of the Harriet Lane.
View attachment 615434

He says he based it on plans commissioned by the Simthonian Institute and drawn by Merritt Edson in the 1960s. The MS kit may be based on the same plans. Tilley thought the Harriet Lane probably didn’t have a capstan:

“I don’t think she had a capstan. The windlass in the bow would have taken over the capstan’s functions. There would be nothing unusual about a ship having both a capstan and a windlass - but this vessel’s rigging was simple enough that I doubt the capstan would have been necessary.”

He also commented that documentation of the Harriet Lane is sparse - whether her name was on the stern (probably) her color (probably black but maybe dark green) and the number of boats (most likely 4 when she was a Navy vessel, could have been 2 or 4 when in the Revenue Service). The thread is a very interesting read. Harriet Lane Discussion

Webb’s plan for the Harriet Lane is much less detailed than many of the other plans in the folio, unfortunately for us modelers. No indication of the boats or guns. There do appear to be 2 pin rails abaft the paddle wheels. And no sail plan.

My plan is to model the Harriet Lane as she was when launched as a Revenue Cutter. All of this makes me feel comfortable leaving the wheel, skylights and companionways where they are on the kit. I will likely interpret the round structure forward of the wheel as a skylight - it seems too close to the companionway to be a capstan. I’m still not certain about the boats. The majority of the 19th century illustrations show her with 4 (but also depict her Civil War Navy service) but at least one shows her with 2.

View attachment 615435

This was a fun rabbit hole to go down. In the end, we can interpret our Harriet Lanes however we like, but at least now I think I understand why David Antscherl made the choices he did for the Model Shipways kit.

If anyone has any thoughts on the round structure aft of the companionway on the true Harriet Lane plan, I’d appreciate it.
Tom! Awesome! I know that I saw all of these plans when I built my version, but I definitely missed the placement of the wheel on the real HL plans and it also explains all of the ports so far aft in the kit. I think I got focussed on the similarity of the ships and because the 600 ton cutter had more detail I went with it. In fact, there are pictures of it in my log ROTF Excellent detective work!

I have seen renderings of HL with 1 and 2 boats. I I went with 2 for the extra work and I thought it balanced my build and in the end it just looked cooler, to me, with 2 boats aft.

Blessings.
Chuck
 
Post 5 - A Quick Update

I finally put some glue on wood today, after unpacking from our trip and doing laundry. It felt good to be back in the shipyard, and I wanted to post something to get back in the habit. I glued the horizontal braces for the bulkheads onto the spine, and cut out and cleaned up all the bulkheads.

Parts A, B & C added.jpeg
Tomorrow I'll start dry fitting and (hopefully) gluing the bulkheads.

And another puffin!
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Post 6 - Slow Progress

This is the busy time in the Berkshires. Between messing about in my (real) boat and kayak, swimming in the lake, going to plays, concerts at Tanglewood and dance at Jacob's Pillow I don't have a lot of time to spend in my shipyard. I have, at least, managed to get all of the bulkheads glued to the spine. It was something of struggle. Despite my best efforts, the port horizontal piece A was not quite perpendicular to the spine. I only realized this after gluing 5 sets of bulkheads. Out with the Isoppropyl alcohol, off with the bulkheads! I should have kept going and removed and re-glued piece A, but for some reason I decided to adjust the slots in the bulkheads. Also, despite my best efforts, I had trouble keeping the bulkheads plumb, even though I used clamps and Lego bricks.
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In the end, I probably unglued and repositioned half of them (at least one of them twice) in addition to lengthening and widening the slots before I finally got every one fitting snuggly and square to everything else.

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Bow view.jpeg Stern view (1).jpeg

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I also followed @The Gavel's advice from his build log and boxed in the holes for the stand posts so the model won't list when mounted on the stand.
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Post hole after.jpeg Bottom view (1).jpeg

I feel like I've finally started to build my Harriet Lane!

I had ordered 1:96 scale copper plates from a Chinese seller on Amazon. They arrived earlier this week. The individual plates measure 4 x 14 mm which is 15" x 52" at scale, not to far off the standard of the era (14" x 48")
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They might be too 'busy' with all the rivets. I'll see how they look once I get to that step. I have 1,000 of them. I need to do some calculations of the are of the lower hull to see if that is enough.

My replacement double blocks from Model Expo also arrived:
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Not sure they were worth the wait :rolleyes:

That's it for now. I think posts will be infrequent until the busy season calms down end of August.
 
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I am a way behind you but I am following closley. keep posting your problems so I can hopefully avoid them. Question - does Isoppropyl alcohol work on PVC glue ???
 
Tom, your beginning looks great! As for blocks you may want to check out the model expo beautiful blocks and also blocks from syren and dry dock models. The model expo ones are pear wood and I believe the other 2 are 3D printed. they are all a big step up from what you showed.

Rob
 
Tom! That's some great progress! Congratulations! Now the fun can start! Those copper plates look pretty darn cool! As the blocks :eek: IHMO you should scrap the kit supplied blocks and line. I have used ModelExpo's beautiful blocks, Syren and DryDock. ModelExpo and Syren are wood and do a nice job or replicating the look of real blocks. They are realively inexpensive and you won't have to wait for two weeks to get them. DryDock's products are wood and you can choose pear, boxwood or ebony. DryDock's products are the best blocks and deadeyes - I started using them on my Harriet Lane and had a chance to compare them with ModelExpo and Syren. Although DryDock costs a lot and you have to wait for two weeks to get them the bang for the buck is enormous.

Blessings.
Chuck
 
Treat the Chinese supplied plates as a sunk cost and use something else. Since you a doctor they should be referred to a Dermatologist! Copper sheathing was not riveted to the hull. It was nailed with flat headed nails. At 1:96 scale these nails would invisible. With the workmanship that you exhibited on your lobster boat you have the skills to build a beautiful Harriett Lane. These plates will look like the proverbial sore thumb.

Roger
 
Tom! That's some great progress! Congratulations! Now the fun can start! Those copper plates look pretty darn cool! As the blocks :eek: IHMO you should scrap the kit supplied blocks and line. I have used ModelExpo's beautiful blocks, Syren and DryDock. ModelExpo and Syren are wood and do a nice job or replicating the look of real blocks. They are realively inexpensive and you won't have to wait for two weeks to get them. DryDock's products are wood and you can choose pear, boxwood or ebony. DryDock's products are the best blocks and deadeyes - I started using them on my Harriet Lane and had a chance to compare them with ModelExpo and Syren. Although DryDock costs a lot and you have to wait for two weeks to get them the bang for the buck is enormous.

Blessings.
Chuck
Chuck,
I’ve got a stash of some Model Expo and Syren blocks. I’ll have to check out the DryDock products. I’ve got a ways to go before I get to the rigging, so I don’t think a 2 week turnaround is an issue!
 
Treat the Chinese supplied plates as a sunk cost and use something else. Since you a doctor they should be referred to a Dermatologist! Copper sheathing was not riveted to the hull. It was nailed with flat headed nails. At 1:96 scale these nails would invisible. With the workmanship that you exhibited on your lobster boat you have the skills to build a beautiful Harriett Lane. These plates will look like the proverbial sore thumb.

Roger
It was an experiment. Not all are successful. They do kinda look like they have the pox, don’t they Redface
 
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