YUANQING BLUENOSE - Peter Voogt [COMPLETED BUILD]

[Peter Voogt]

With some notable differences in name and:
-Jenson's diameters are much larger than Lankford's.

I was looking in Chapelle's book "The American Fishing Schooner" to measurements of the rigging ropes.
On the pages 592 en 592 I found a list of rigging of the 'Gertrude L. Thebaud". She was a great competitor of the Bluenose and very comparable.
And Chapelle added by the values of the list "CIRC.". A great aha ....... that's 'Circumference'. The outline value.
Well, added Chapelle's values to the excel-file and divide them with 'pi'=3,14
Then I divided the values of Jenson also bij 'pi'. And then .........tada tada:

I can live with these difference.
Then I'll just assume Jenson's list includes the outlines. Apparently that was the standard at the time.
And if it isn't, then I find myself, for myself, very convincing.
I will up-date the excel list in a moment.
Regards, Peter

 

[Maarten]

Again amazing work Peter. I think if they need to re rigg the full scale bluenose they will give you a call for advise.
Just marvelous.

 

[Peter Voogt]

Again amazing work Peter. I think if they need to re rigg the full scale bluenose they will give you a call for advise.
Just marvelous.

Thanks, Maarten. I hope they call and invite me. Otherwise I have to go to visit the BN in Lunenburg as a holiday trip. But that's been on my mind for a while now.
RegArdis, Peter

 

[RDN1954]

Otherwise I have to go to visit the BN in Lunenburg as a holiday trip.

Yep, it's on my wishlist as well. Let's hope we're in Santa's good books...

 

[Peter Voogt]

Yep, it's on my wishlist as well. Let's hope we're in Santa's good books...

And now it's in our head ........
Regards, Peter

 

[Peter Voogt]

There are still 3 lines to apply on the back. In order to cause the least inconvenience to each other, this is the order:
-topping lift
-peak halliard
-quarter lift
When applying, I already have to provide both lifts of 0.6 mm / 027" with baggywrinkel.
I've shown this photo before, but it's clearly visible on the back:

It is to prevent damaging the sail. In the past, old lines were used for this. They were cut into pieces and partly unraveled.

I've had an idea for a while. So tried:

1: Made rounds of 2 mm / 0,08" and 2.5 mm / 0,1" with the 6-hole pliers. First printed from a cotton ball, but that was too fibrous. Then a tissue folded in half 4 times.
The choice fell on 2 mm.
2: the circles pinned on a counting needle. I used it at work to count fingerprints on typica.
3: pressed on a piece of cardboard to enlarge the hole slightly.
4: they are now small barrels that I can string on the line.

Here's a test setting:

They are not yet the right length. And I still have to find the desired color.
On this picture slanted from behind, they look a bit bigger. Tomorrow one square. Now to Rotterdam for a concert of the Dutch Police Orchestra. My Admiral was a player for many years.

An enlargement:

Below: black, middle: brown/grey, above: dark grey.
I think I'm going for the dark gray. Then it sticks out just a bit on the black lines.
Regards, Peter

 

[Alf in Iowa]

There are still 3 lines to apply on the back. In order to cause the least inconvenience to each other, this is the order:
-topping lift
-peak halliard
-quarter lift
When applying, I already have to provide both lifts of 0.6 mm / 027" with baggywrinkel.
I've shown this photo before, but it's clearly visible on the back:
View attachment 343312
It is to damage the sail. In the past, old lines were used for this. They were cut into pieces and partly unraveled.

I've had an idea for a while. So tried:
View attachment 343309
1: Made rounds of 2 mm / 0,08" and 2.5 mm / 0,1" with the 6-hole pliers. First printed from a cotton ball, but that was too fibrous. Then a tissue folded in half 4 times.
The choice fell on 2 mm.
2: the circles pinned on a counting needle. I used it at work to count fingerprints on typica.
3: pressed on a piece of cardboard to enlarge the hole slightly.
4: they are now small barrels that I can string on the line.

Here's a test setting:
View attachment 343310
They are not yet the right length. And I still have to find the desired color.

An enlargement:
View attachment 343311
Below black, medium brown/grey, above dark grey.
I think I'm going for the dark gray. Then it sticks out just a bit on the black lines.
Regards, Peter

Ladies' leg warmers (har!)

 

[Alf in Iowa]

There are still 3 lines to apply on the back. In order to cause the least inconvenience to each other, this is the order:
-topping lift
-peak halliard
-quarter lift
When applying, I already have to provide both lifts of 0.6 mm / 027" with baggywrinkel.
I've shown this photo before, but it's clearly visible on the back:
View attachment 343312
It is to damage the sail. In the past, old lines were used for this. They were cut into pieces and partly unraveled.

I've had an idea for a while. So tried:
View attachment 343309
1: Made rounds of 2 mm / 0,08" and 2.5 mm / 0,1" with the 6-hole pliers. First printed from a cotton ball, but that was too fibrous. Then a tissue folded in half 4 times.
The choice fell on 2 mm.
2: the circles pinned on a counting needle. I used it at work to count fingerprints on typica.
3: pressed on a piece of cardboard to enlarge the hole slightly.
4: they are now small barrels that I can string on the line.

Here's a test setting:
View attachment 343310
They are not yet the right length. And I still have to find the desired color.

An enlargement:
View attachment 343311
Below black, medium brown/grey, above dark grey.
I think I'm going for the dark gray. Then it sticks out just a bit on the black lines.
Regards, Peter

And in the test setting pic the city park trash bin stands out there just ahead of the wheel.

 

[Peter Voogt]

And in the test setting pic the city park trash bin stands out there just ahead of the wheel.

And which part must into the trash bin?

 

[Alf in Iowa]

And which part must into the trash bin?

Har that's easy; all the paying-tourists' drink cups, popcorn tubs, and candy wrappers. I've seen pics of the modern-day America out on tourist "voyages" and what a disaster for the crew those must be.

 

[Peter Voogt]

The promised 'right angle' photo.
Playing around in Photoshop is fun, but sometimes also confrontational.
I took a photo perpendicular to the side of the model:

It seems that the baggywrinkle is quite in proportion.

This photo placed on the old photo I showed regarding the baggywrinkel. The layers in Photoshop can give you a degree of translucency. That produces this image:

The hulls placed on top of each other to scale them.
Before we start comparing, a note about photography. What kind of lens on the camera? And a distance, probably with something tele? That becomes quite a task with model photography to imitate exactly.

The comparison was about whether the diameter of the baggywrinkle was correct. That's okay.
There are differences, such as the place and position of the main mast and the bowsprit. The mast of my model could be slightly backward and straighter. Only the last is possible.
But the question is whether the old photo is of the Bluenose.
I came across it on the internet. A quick search first yielded a link to Pinterest. And through some steps at the "Essex Historical Society & Shipbuilding Museum". But could not find the picture.
It is probably from the BN-II, given the radar dome on the foremast.

Found in Nova Scotia one other picture, also with the radar dome, where she is also almost at right angles. That gives this picture:

The hulls are again placed on top of each other. They match nicely. The mast of my model could be slightly forward and straighter. Only the last is possible. And given both comparisons the only thing I will do to the mast.
But enough rambling. I'll take a look at the 1st picture of this post again and continue building. But it's still fun to 'dive into the old box'.
Regards, Peter

 

[RDN1954]

Very illustrative, combining these old pictures with your model.
What's noteworthy is that the bowsprit of the BNII may have been of different lengths. The angle though seems to be the same on both pictures.

 

[Uwek]

Ladies' leg warmers (har!)

I was wearing them also during the 70´s !!! it was the period of aerobic
They are looking great - these from my legs, but also these from Peter

Peter One point:
When the photo was not exactly at 90° towards the ship axis made and the ship was a little bit listing in that moment of the photo, you have immediately a different angle of the mast shown on the photo .... have this in mind

 

[Peter Voogt]

Very illustrative, combining these old pictures with your model.
What's noteworthy is that the bowsprit of the BNII may have been of different lengths. The angle though seems to be the same on both pictures.

Peter One point:
When the photo was not exactly at 90° towards the ship axis made and the ship was a little bit listing in that moment of the photo, you have immediately a different angle of the mast shown on the photo .... have this in mind

Thanks both for the reply, Johan & Uwe.
I am aware that taking pictures of the real ship depends on many things. I already mentioned the lens used. Tele or (a bit) wide angle. And the little bit listing you named.
In reconstructions at my earlier work, we sometimes spent hours trying to get equations equivalent. And now for 2 old photos in a few minutes ..........
In the meantime I checked the angle of the mast with the drawings of both Eisnor and MS/Lankford. And then that makes very little difference.
Regards, Peter

 

[RDN1954]

Thanks both for the reply, Johan & Uwe.
I am aware that taking pictures of the real ship depends on many things. I already mentioned the lens used. Tele or (a bit) wide angle. And the little bit missing you named.
In reconstructions at my earlier work, we sometimes spent hours trying to get equations equivalent. And now for 2 old photos in a few minutes ..........
In the meantime I checked the angle of the mast with the drawings of both Eisnor and MS/Lankford. And then that makes very little difference.
Regards, Peter

As long as we don't regard these pictures as drawings/gospel, but merely as references, there's little wrong in using them.

 

[GrantTyler]

The promised 'right angle' photo.
Playing around in Photoshop is fun, but sometimes also confrontational.
I took a photo perpendicular to the side of the model:
View attachment 343430
It seems that the baggywrinkle is quite in proportion.

This photo placed on the old photo I showed regarding the baggywrinkel. The layers in Photoshop can give you a degree of translucency. That produces this image:
View attachment 343432
The hulls placed on top of each other to scale them.
Before we start comparing, a note about photography. What kind of lens on the camera? And a distance, probably with something tele? That becomes quite a task with model photography to imitate exactly.

The comparison was about whether the diameter of the baggywrinkle was correct. That's okay.
There are differences, such as the place and position of the main mast and the bowsprit. The mast of my model could be slightly backward and straighter. Only the last is possible.
But the question is whether the old photo is of the Bluenose.
I came across it on the internet. A quick search first yielded a link to Pinterest. And through some steps at the "Essex Historical Society & Shipbuilding Museum". But could not find the picture.
It is probably from the BN-II, given the radar dome on the foremast.

Found in Nova Scotia one other picture, also with the radar dome, where she is also almost at right angles. That gives this picture:
View attachment 343431
The hulls are again placed on top of each other. They match nicely. The mast of my model could be slightly forward and straighter. Only the last is possible. And given both comparisons the only thing I will do to the mast.
But enough rambling. I'll take a look at the 1st picture of this post again and continue building. But it's still fun to 'dive into the old box'.
Regards, Peter

Good morning Peter. Brilliant post. Nice "leg warmers" as Alf puts it. Cheers Grant.

 

[Peter Voogt]

As long as we don't regard these pictures as drawings/gospel, but merely as references, there's little wrong in using them.

Good morning Peter. Brilliant post. Nice "leg warmers" as Alf puts it. Cheers Grant.

Thanks, Johan and Grant. It’s great fun to search and look in the archives to older stuff and thus messing around in modern applications. Still looking for a representative picture from the original in right perspective.
Regards, Peter

 

[Maarten]

What would be the possibility of trimming these masts. On modern sailing yachts you can trim the mast depending on wind and sails. The bluenose being a racing yacht maybe also used mast trimming?

Ps thats why I stay safe in the 17th and 18th century, no photos available

 

[Peter Voogt]

What would be the possibility of trimming these masts. On modern sailing yachts you can trim the mast depending on wind and sails. The bluenose being a racing yacht maybe also used mast trimming?
Ps thats why I stay safe in the 17th and 18th century, no photos available

Thanks for naming that opportunity, Maarten. But given the rigging with the shrouds and the many stays, I think it's getting a bit too complex.
Regards, Peter

 

[Peter Voogt]

The topping lift applied, including the baggywrinkle:


On the end of the boom:

A: The pendent from 0.6mm/.027" line with a 4.5mm/3/16" single-disc block at the end.
B: the 1st tackle attached to the band on the end of the boom. The driving part 'B2' has a 3 mm/1/8" double disc block at the end.
C: the 2nd tackle is attached to an eyelet just before the band to which the 1st tackle is attached. The part 'C2' goes from the front to the rear around the rear disc in the boom, after which part 'C3' leads back to the block. The part 'C4' goes through the rear of the front disc and under the boom to the front of the boom, 'C5'. About half way up the boom it passes through the bullseye fairlead, '6'.

The hauling part is attached to a belaying pin on the starboard side of the claw of the boom:


The baggywrinkle is also made of tissue:

As mentioned with the 6-hole pliers with 2mm/.08" rounds.

I colored these with Indigo Ecoline:

Because the black of the hull is also slightly 'blued'. It is not painting but more or less saturated with the ink. The open appearance is thus retained with the advantage that the drying ink ensures that it no longer shifts.

The pendant is secured to the top strap on top of the lower mast:

On the right is a cut-out of a drawing by MS/Lankford.
There the baggywrinkle is a lot longer. This is because the topsail rubs against the lines there and is also carried underneath the peaks halliard and over the gaff from port to starboard.
Regards, Peter