Statenjacht PEGASUS circa 1700 [COMPLETED BUILD]

Jeronimo said:
Hi Daniel,

see photo 4.014 of my model.
I made two rows of nailing.

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Thomas Marocke said:
Hi Daniel!

Your deck is not sealed with tar. In the real ships, the joints are wide to bring in the sealing material. And a large part of the deck will be lined and later not be visible at all. And the nails . . . ?

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Take a look at the model on the cover of this book. It makes such a good impression that it is on the cover. And it is not built in the way many people today strive for.

When is a model ship beautiful?

Best regards
Thomas
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Thank you Jeronimo and Thomas for stopping by and your comments. I really appreciate them and that is what I am looking from a building thread. Like Jimsky and Heinrich comments.

Let me provide an answer to both.

@Jeronimo.... I knew you did 2 rows of nails. I check your pictures every 5 minutes :) . BUT !!! ... with big letters... I have an issue. When I need to do a fine detail, my hand start to shake. Very small but enough to ruin my job. If you ZOOM my posted picture (or see below picture white circle) I tried the first road of that deck with 2 nails. Looked horrible to me. I couldn't keep the distance or a straight line. I decided then to do as the Chinese modeler "1 row of nail" and for that I used a wood to help my hand (see picture below). Nevertheless, it isn't perfect, because I start to be nervous and my hand shakes more. Bottom line, I did my best.

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@Thomas. I agree with you on your comments. See below the Utrecht deck picture.....where are the nails ?. You can faintly see them at the joint of 2 planks. In the hull picture are more evident, and looks like they are as Jeronimo did. The reason why I haven't done yet the hull nails is because I am afraid of ruin it. On the below pictures you can see the nails of the UTRECHT. Looks like it is a mixture of all the situations

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Thanks again for all your comments!!!!!

Daniel
 
Dematosdg said:
Good.... but i do not have boxwood at all. Let see if I can get it through the Lumberyard
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Yes, Dave has boxwood, just ask nicely :D. You will be one of the lucky men. Also, I will tell you the secret, another species of wood that goes well with Pear and Boxwood is Ebony. Yes, it is not easy to work and has some limits (like bending), but the combination of this 'Trio' makes the model looks...awesome.
 
Jimsky said:
Yes, Dave has boxwood, just ask nicely :D. You will be one of the lucky men. Also, I will tell you the secret, another species of wood that goes well with Pear and Boxwood is Ebony. Yes, it is not easy to work and has some limits (like bending), but the combination of this 'Trio' makes the model looks...awesome.
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Oh men... my wife will file for divorce.... I just placed another order for Boxwood and more Pear Wood... :)
 
Dematosdg said:
Oh men... my wife will file for divorce.... I just placed another order for Boxwood and more Pear Wood...
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Don't blame me, though. Nah...will not gonna happen. Because she is one to file, she will have to pay! It will cost her much more than 100th orders of Pear and boxwood. ROTF
 
Yes, I thought it supposed to be a secret! Oh well...
I want to make sure I don't give a wrong impression on the timber to choose for your model. It is absolutely up to the modeler what timber to choose. It may very well depend on many factors: one of them is the budget (for the most part), another could be geographical location and timber availability, and obviously the preferable taste.
Many contemporary models built using Pear and Boxwood. Both of those wood species known as hardwood, very fine grain (invisible) and can hold an edge very well. They are suitable for all ship parts specifically frames, beams, ledges, etc. Also, it is a very good material for carving. If finishing using oils, you will be rewarded with nice color harmony and luxury this timber can give you. Pear, boxwood, and Ebony (Ebony I substitute it with black hornbeam) I called a Magic Trio - my preferred choice of timber for a very long time.
But...it doesn't mean you cannot build from other timbers. The choice is always YOURS and perfectly valid! What I try to suggest to Dan, his kit made out of Pearwood, he should be consistent when fabricating parts. I am not against walnut, I like this timber, but...when you will oil walnut it makes it too dark compared to Pear and will look like a dark spot (from personal experience). If this is the outcome you wanted, go for it!! I gently say: 'May I suggest' ;)
 
@Jimsky Very good advice you have given. Personally - with the exception of @Maarten 's Royal Caroline - I wouldn't choose Boxwood for hull planking. To me, it's just too light. But ... where it does come into its own is when it comes to deck fittings and then, of course, carvings. I fully agree with you on the Pear/Ebony combination, but now so many manufacturers seem to be using Pear that I'm just afraid it will become slightly overused. There walnut, because of its authentic colour, remains a stalwart. Now what about a hull planked fully in black hornbeam ? Hmmmm .....
 
Heinrich said:
@Jimsky Very good advice you have given. Personally - with the exception of @Maarten 's Royal Caroline - I wouldn't choose Boxwood for hull planking. To me, it's just too light. But ... where it does come into its own is when it comes to deck fittings and then, of course, carvings. I fully agree with you on the Pear/Ebony combination, but now so many manufacturers seem to be using Pear that I'm just afraid it will become slightly overused. There walnut, because of its authentic colour, remains a stalwart. Now what about a hull planked fully in black hornbeam ? Hmmmm .....
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@Dematosdg Sorry for the Offtopic...
Interesting that you mentioned boxwood for hull planking. I wouldn't plank below wales as well, only SwisPear, but above wales - Absolutely, will use boxwood. I brought the term 'SwissPear' as the Pearwood is a light color and can be suitable for deck planking, SwissPear has many different colors one of them rose\pinky, mostly kit manufacturers start using it. I like that trend!!!
As for the hull planked in the black hornbeam...Check this out... you will be surprised... Dmitry Shevelev (one of the great Russian modelers) as well as Narim uses black grab (hornbeam) for hull planking. Here are some examples from Dmitry's LeBelle Poule

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Hi Jimsky and Heinrich.... no problem at all about this discussion... I love it. Its a great learning.

Poor Dave from The Lumberyard. I already exchanged with him several PMs. I ordered "Pear Wood" and I later saw he has "Swiss Pear Wood". He kindly explained me the difference. So.... I just placed a new order for Swiss Pear Wood and request to cancel the previous one if it wasn't shipped yet. I hope Dave will not hate me.

Bottom line.... Boxwood and Swiss Pear wood ordered at the Lumberyard!!!!!.... :)

Daniel
 
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Hi

Can someone teach me the name and what are those "extensions" (to call them in some way). See arrows in the picture.

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Thanks !!!
Daniel
 
Dematosdg said:
Hi

Can someone teach me the name and what are those "extensions" (to call them in some way). See arrows in the picture.

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Thanks !!!
Daniel
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Daniel, they look to me like monkey ladders (see Oliver's post https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/...jean-boudriot-myself.3009/page-19#post-140541), not 100% sure. From the cross section, one can see that there are no ladders leading to the hold. Those that go all the way down to the keelson seem to be center positioned wrt to hatches. Those that do not, I have no idea. Jeronimo would know for sure.
 
Ok... little more.

@Jimsky .... I used Maple for the other two bed. 2 reasons (a) I ordered Pear Wood to The Lumberyard, but Dave is swamped with job and can't provide me a delivery time (b) no one will see the difference based on the location. See pictures and imaging the windlass and other stuff over it.

So here we go: (nothing is glued yet...more needs to be done)

Picture from the book Building from Scratch the UTRECH

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Here is what I did

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Not bad. As said... still more details needs to be built there... like the beds with coverlet, etc.

Cheers
Daniel
PS: I will not glue those 2 new beds. If Dave's wood arrives before I end all the interior :) I will replace them with pear wood.

This is how most of the models are done.
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I am still not sure if the 2 smaller frames are crew beds or a place for storage. I can strech it a little more and made that frame bigger, but not too much. The Size was taken from the Utrecht plans. Unless I am misunderstanding something.

They looks like "submarine" bed. Just enought space for a tiny Sailor. :) .

On today's UTRECH replicate that space is used for the ship engines.

Cheers
Daniel
 
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