HIGH HOPES, WILD MEN AND THE DEVIL’S JAW - Willem Barentsz Kolderstok 1:50

Canoe21 said:
Hello Heinrich, I am enjoying all of your research along with all of those super pictures you have found. Your life boat sure is looking great.
Regards Lawrence
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Thank you very much my friend! The research has come to an end now, so I can start building again.
 
Tonight I want to give a special thank you to @Kolderstok Hans. He messaged me to let me know that he is in the process of packing my challenge. This is simply phenomenal to think how quickly he has made the changes and addressed all my requests. Thank you very much for the trust Hans and for the beyond-the-call-of-duty service! It is one-of-a-kind! First Place Metal
 
Heinrich said:
also enjoyed the research, I just didn't like the conclusion.
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Ah, here you say something so incredibly valuable.
When pursuing something, one might be blindsided, because one could be tempted to only accept supporting information and evidence. Unfortunately that's not how the world, science, archeology works.
Not liking the conclusion you might have to draw, doesn't mean the conclusion is incorrect or not worth sharing. It still allows us to learn and I think that that is what research all is about...
 
Heinrich said:
Tonight I want to give a special thank you to @Kolderstok Hans. He messaged me to let me know that he is in the process of packing my challenge. This is simply phenomenal to think how quickly he has made the changes and addressed all my requests. Thank you very much for the trust Hans and for the beyond-the-call-of-duty service! It is one-of-a-kind! First Place Metal
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See, on another blog it was discussed we Dutch say too frequently "not possible"?
What Hans now shows is we might say something is impossible and yet doing anything in one's might to turn it into a miracle and realize the impossible.
Kudos for Hans!
 
RDN1954 said:
Ah, here you say something so incredibly valuable.
When pursuing something, one might be blindsided, because one could be tempted to only accept supporting information and evidence. Unfortunately that's not how the world, science, archeology works.
Not liking the conclusion you might have to draw, doesn't mean the conclusion is incorrect or not worth sharing. It still allows us to learn and I think that that is what research all is about...
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Johan, I have no problem with the results being inconclusive. I knew from the beginning that there would be a very good chance of that being the case. Unless a resolution exists that says Amsterdam acquired or equipped Ship A and Ship B with the names specifically mentioned, everything is going to boil down to assumptions and interpretations. Clearly such resolution does not exist - why I do not understand - especially given all the information that is available from the first two trips. I do not agree at all with Ab's surmise that the data of the third trip was treated differently because it was a failure. The second trip was the biggest failure of all three trips - yet it contains the most available information.
 
Dear Friends

Last night I have posted that I have come to the end of my research. Therefore, it is only right that I announce my conclusion _ I owe it to all of you who have supported me so tremendously during this time. I actually posted the whole process of I have arrived at this conclusion to Hans to get his opinion as to whether I should post it or not. In the end, we both agreed that it is probably best if I just post the conclusion - that way I do not rock any boat and seeing that the outcome is exactly the same as before, there is no need to do that.

My considerable research has indeed produced a very strong result. The name of Willem Barentsz's ship is not known and whoever claims that he can prove it, will have a hell of a hard time convincing me. How it is possible that the most famous voyage of the Netherland's most famous explorer was undertaken in a ship that was not known to anyone is beyond me, but those are the facts. And until something very radical surfaces - which I honestly do not think is possible - this will not change.

Whilst the final result is most disappointing to someone who loves to cross the "T"'s and dot the "i"'s as much as I do, I just have to accept it. I am certainly not going to swindle and twist facts to suit my preconceived ideas. So there you have it - the new model will also be called "Het Expeditieschip van Willem Barentsz".

All that is left now is to thank you all once more for all your help, support, co-thinking, suggestions and just following along. The time has come to make some sawdust. And to Hans who has already announced that his next ship will De Halve Maen of Henry Hudson, I have a surprise. I might build that ship but definitely not as the Halve Maen - don't worry, I do have a confirmed name. ROTF
 
dockattner said:
An oddly satisfying outcome for me Heinrich. My respect for the effort and for sharing your journey with us all.
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Dear Paul - I think I know exactly what you mean. It is almost as if there is something enigmatic about the name The Ship of Barentsz. Like Hans has said so many times - that has been the name that the ship has been called for so long, that it has become an intrinsic part of the whole character and identity of it. To a certain extent, any other name that is now attached to the ship after so many years, would somehow diminish the experience.
 
Heinrich, a pitty to hear that there is no name to be found, but then again, you did everything you could to find it, so you may be proud of yourself for everything you dug up on the voyages of Willem Barentsz, thank you for sharing this with all of us
 
pingu57 said:
Heinrich, a pitty to hear that there is no name to be found, but then again, you did everything you could to find it, so you may be proud of yourself for everything you dug up on the voyages of Willem Barentsz, thank you for sharing this with all of us
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It was a pleasure my friend. I have learnt an awful lot and have also discovered that I still have an awful lot to learn. If I had wanted to, I could have made a strong case for name A or name B, but I could never do that unless I was totally convinced either way.

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This is how a proper captain's journal should have looked like and this is how it should have been preserved. Ironically, this log is from the Admiralty of Amsterdam only 5 after years Barentsz's trip.
 
Heinrich said:
Dear Paul - I think I know exactly what you mean. It is almost as if there is something enigmatic about the name The Ship of Barentsz. Like Hans has said so many times - that has been the name that the ship has been called for so long, that it has become an intrinsic part of the whole character and identity of it. To a certain extent, any other name that is now attached to the ship after so many years, would somehow diminish the experience.
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That's precisely it Heinrich. This is a story about a man and his men and it just feels right to me that they will remain in the center.
 
Dear Heinrich,
I want to thank you for taking us on this amazing research journey. Would finding out the ships name sometime in the future diminish the experience. Not to me in the least. The man himself will always be the focus, your presentation honors that fact. This was a treasure hunt, full of excitement having highs and lows. The mystery of the ships name remains and that too has a flavor of excitement as opposed to an element of sadness.
 
Daniel20 said:
Dear Heinrich,
I want to thank you for taking us on this amazing research journey. Would finding out the ships name sometime in the future diminish the experience. Not to me in the least. The man himself will always be the focus, your presentation honors that fact. This was a treasure hunt, full of excitement having highs and lows. The mystery of the ships name remains and that too has a flavor of excitement as opposed to an element of sadness.
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Daniel thank you for that lovely posting. If it was possible that researchers could find the name without a shadow of doubt, I agree 100% with you that it would not have tainted the history of the ship. But as irrefutable proof seems to be impossible to obtain, any effort to give the ship a name - just for the sake of giving it a name - would certainly not be the right way to go. I agree with you - I am not saddened, I am excited at the prospect of building another model with a different interpretation attached to it!
 
pingu57 said:
A pitty that they did't start doing this a few years earlyer Heinrich, But i trust you had a lot of fun doing your research, and i enjoyed myself reading all about your journey
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Peter this is what I do not understand. It was available in 1594 and 1595 - why not in 1596?
 
Heinrich said:
Peter this is what I do not understand. It was available in 1594 and 1595 - why not in 1596?
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And that is very strange, you are right about that, but perhaps there was at that point a change in the board of directors, and that was bye the way also the start off the VOC Verenigde Oostindische Compagnie, so perhaps the first two trips where under the auspiciën of the Admiralty, and the third trip under auspiciën from the VOC, who knowes??
 
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