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Hear, hear!Hello Heinrich, I am enjoying all of your research along with all of those super pictures you have found. Your life boat sure is looking great.
Regards Lawrence
Hear, hear!Hello Heinrich, I am enjoying all of your research along with all of those super pictures you have found. Your life boat sure is looking great.
Regards Lawrence
Thank you very much my friend! The research has come to an end now, so I can start building again.Hello Heinrich, I am enjoying all of your research along with all of those super pictures you have found. Your life boat sure is looking great.
Regards Lawrence
I also enjoyed the research, I just didn't like the conclusion.Hear, hear!
Ah, here you say something so incredibly valuable.also enjoyed the research, I just didn't like the conclusion.
See, on another blog it was discussed we Dutch say too frequently "not possible"?Tonight I want to give a special thank you to @Kolderstok Hans. He messaged me to let me know that he is in the process of packing my challenge. This is simply phenomenal to think how quickly he has made the changes and addressed all my requests. Thank you very much for the trust Hans and for the beyond-the-call-of-duty service! It is one-of-a-kind!
Johan, I have no problem with the results being inconclusive. I knew from the beginning that there would be a very good chance of that being the case. Unless a resolution exists that says Amsterdam acquired or equipped Ship A and Ship B with the names specifically mentioned, everything is going to boil down to assumptions and interpretations. Clearly such resolution does not exist - why I do not understand - especially given all the information that is available from the first two trips. I do not agree at all with Ab's surmise that the data of the third trip was treated differently because it was a failure. The second trip was the biggest failure of all three trips - yet it contains the most available information.Ah, here you say something so incredibly valuable.
When pursuing something, one might be blindsided, because one could be tempted to only accept supporting information and evidence. Unfortunately that's not how the world, science, archeology works.
Not liking the conclusion you might have to draw, doesn't mean the conclusion is incorrect or not worth sharing. It still allows us to learn and I think that that is what research all is about...
Dear Paul - I think I know exactly what you mean. It is almost as if there is something enigmatic about the name The Ship of Barentsz. Like Hans has said so many times - that has been the name that the ship has been called for so long, that it has become an intrinsic part of the whole character and identity of it. To a certain extent, any other name that is now attached to the ship after so many years, would somehow diminish the experience.An oddly satisfying outcome for me Heinrich. My respect for the effort and for sharing your journey with us all.
It was a pleasure my friend. I have learnt an awful lot and have also discovered that I still have an awful lot to learn. If I had wanted to, I could have made a strong case for name A or name B, but I could never do that unless I was totally convinced either way.Heinrich, a pitty to hear that there is no name to be found, but then again, you did everything you could to find it, so you may be proud of yourself for everything you dug up on the voyages of Willem Barentsz, thank you for sharing this with all of us
That's precisely it Heinrich. This is a story about a man and his men and it just feels right to me that they will remain in the center.Dear Paul - I think I know exactly what you mean. It is almost as if there is something enigmatic about the name The Ship of Barentsz. Like Hans has said so many times - that has been the name that the ship has been called for so long, that it has become an intrinsic part of the whole character and identity of it. To a certain extent, any other name that is now attached to the ship after so many years, would somehow diminish the experience.
I'll second that.An oddly satisfying outcome for me Heinrich. My respect for the effort and for sharing your journey with us all.
Hi Paul, Well said.That's precisely it Heinrich. This is a story about a man and his men and it just feels right to me that they will remain in the center.
A pitty that they did't start doing this a few years earlyer Heinrich, But i trust you had a lot of fun doing your research, and i enjoyed myself reading all about your journeyThis is how a proper captain's journal should have looked like
Daniel thank you for that lovely posting. If it was possible that researchers could find the name without a shadow of doubt, I agree 100% with you that it would not have tainted the history of the ship. But as irrefutable proof seems to be impossible to obtain, any effort to give the ship a name - just for the sake of giving it a name - would certainly not be the right way to go. I agree with you - I am not saddened, I am excited at the prospect of building another model with a different interpretation attached to it!Dear Heinrich,
I want to thank you for taking us on this amazing research journey. Would finding out the ships name sometime in the future diminish the experience. Not to me in the least. The man himself will always be the focus, your presentation honors that fact. This was a treasure hunt, full of excitement having highs and lows. The mystery of the ships name remains and that too has a flavor of excitement as opposed to an element of sadness.
Peter this is what I do not understand. It was available in 1594 and 1595 - why not in 1596?A pitty that they did't start doing this a few years earlyer Heinrich, But i trust you had a lot of fun doing your research, and i enjoyed myself reading all about your journey
And that is very strange, you are right about that, but perhaps there was at that point a change in the board of directors, and that was bye the way also the start off the VOC Verenigde Oostindische Compagnie, so perhaps the first two trips where under the auspiciën of the Admiralty, and the third trip under auspiciën from the VOC, who knowes??Peter this is what I do not understand. It was available in 1594 and 1595 - why not in 1596?