Unboxing Hms Enterprize 1774 1:48 - Modelship Dockyard

Alex R said:
Zoly,
Will the kit be available in both Pear and Boxwood ? Will there be deck material available as in the 1:96 version ?
Alex R
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There will be extra planking sold separately for the kit just like for the 1:96 version,some planking included in the kit ,just like wuxi said why would some planking included a pof kit to cover up all the structure?
 
wuxiaomeng said:
For the framework model, our design philosophy is to expose the complete structure as much as possible, so we will not provide a large number of decks and hulls planking, which will obstruct most of the structure.
But creators can add some decks and hulls according to their preferences, or they can ask us to customize this part of the content. All decks and hulls produced processing files during the initial design phase.
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Will any ladder be provided with the kit? Litte hint: add this item to Dry Dock catalogue. The market offers only pieces of crap...
 
Signet said:
To me, a $200-$300 model can be expected to use the closest commercially available parts, resulting in off-size cannon (every 5mm in length), ship's wheels, anchors, etc. And I would expect to have to replace all the rope and blocks.
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Every kit manufacturer should use the newest technology and commercially available parts, for all their kits, not just $200~300 kits. But..., there is always a but involved. We are on the opposite side from the business perspective. We (including myself) are consumers! We will always want more, for less, right? Why should you expect premium parts from the kit priced at $1000 and more? I think the tag price should always depend on the complexity and number of parts in the kit rather than the quality of the parts.

Signet said:
Even on my $700 Ragusian Carrack I had to buy all new rope and blocks, adding around 50% to the price. All that was expected 50 years, even 20 years ago.
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Did you count how much you would spend if you built the same Ragusian Carrack from scratch? Including sourcing for research, planning wood buying, and processing (I assume you can't process the wood at home).
Let me ask you, did you know the contents of the kit before you purchased it? Did you know you will have to change blocks and rope? Would you buy it for $900 if they included better-quality blocks and rope? I hear you are saying how I came up with the $900.00

Signet said:
Today, with all the additional sources for manufactured parts, as well as custom castings and 3D parts, I think we have a right to expect more. Especially on a kit costing $1,200 or more.
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It is a good assumption...If this were the case, every kit manufacturer would supply their kits with rigging blocks DryDock sells. We don't want to understand what would be involved in making a small change, like rigging blocks, into global production. My big guess is they source those unpresentable blocks somewhere, This means they have to stop buying those blocks and find someone who sells the prettiest ones. What happens if they have to pay twice as much for the new one? This obviously may increase the total kit price. Will you buy the same kit that cost $200 before, for $250 with new blocks? What happens if the company that made those blocks cannot fulfill the demand quantity of new ones? What if the majority will pay less and have the old blocks? Who had calculated that 3D prints should cost less? All of this a consumer speculation!! Do you follow my logic? Why create the headache and change anything if people still buying?
 
Jimsky said:
Every kit manufacturer should use the newest technology and commercially available parts, for all their kits, not just $200~300 kits. But..., there is always a but involved. We are on the opposite side from the business perspective. We (including myself) are consumers! We will always want more, for less, right? Why should you expect premium parts from the kit priced at $1000 and more? I think the tag price should always depend on the complexity and number of parts in the kit rather than the quality of the parts.


Did you count how much you would spend if you built the same Ragusian Carrack from scratch? Including sourcing for research, planning wood buying, and processing (I assume you can't process the wood at home).
Let me ask you, did you know the contents of the kit before you purchased it? Did you know you will have to change blocks and rope? Would you buy it for $900 if they included better-quality blocks and rope? I hear you are saying how I came up with the $900.00


It is a good assumption...If this were the case, every kit manufacturer would supply their kits with rigging blocks DryDock sells. We don't want to understand what would be involved in making a small change, like rigging blocks, into global production. My big guess is they source those unpresentable blocks somewhere, This means they have to stop buying those blocks and find someone who sells the prettiest ones. What happens if they have to pay twice as much for the new one? This obviously may increase the total kit price. Will you buy the same kit that cost $200 before, for $250 with new blocks? What happens if the company who made those cannot fulfill the demand quantity of new ones? Who calculated that 3D prints should cost less? It is all consumer speculation!! Do you follow my logic? Why create the headache and change anything if people still buying?
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Also this kit is all pearwood ,very expensive (not ugly walnut or a lime wood kit)
 
zoly99sask said:
We are talking about cost not who likes what.Walnut or lime is cost a fraction of pearwood and boxwood
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Probably you are correct, but for some kit manufacturers, Pearwood is the common timber and does not count as an exotic wood to price differently. The price between Pearwood and Cherry wood is not significant in the kit. ;)
 
The 1:96 Enterprize is offered with a choice of either Pearwood or (more expensive) Boxwood. Chinese Boxwood is beautiful. Hopefully the kit will be available in Boxwood, although Pearwood will be fine.
 
Alex R said:
The 1:96 Enterprize is offered with a choice of either Pearwood or (more expensive) Boxwood. Chinese Boxwood is beautiful. Hopefully the kit will be available in Boxwood, although Pearwood will be fine.
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No boxwood will be offered at this scale
 
Thanks Zoly,
There is obviously a lot of interest in the kit. Cannot wait to get started.
It will be a lot of fun to work with Pearwood for the structure and Boxwood for decorations. I'm ready !
 
What will the length of this model be? Does anyone have an idea?
 
Signet said:
Really? I would definitely expect a kit with higher quality parts (rope, blocks, to-scale cannon and fittings, pear instead of walnut) to cost more, and would certainly be willing to pay the extra. One problem, though, is that we rarely know the quality/size of some of these parts. I believe that is why so many are questioning it here.

I have always felt that kits represent a good value for money. Buying in small quantities, we cannot approach obtaining all the required parts for the price of the kit. UNLESS we have to replace a good bit of what is included in the kit, due to quality or whatever.

Yes, I would. Again, I bought the kit without being able to determine the quality of those items (watching Olha build hers online). Only after I got it did I realize I needed to spend more to get what I wanted. I would have preferred to buy the kit for $600-$650 without those parts at all, and buy them separately, or pay more for quality. But we don't always (or often) get that choice. Mostly, I just want to know what I'm going to get, so I can budget in the extras I might want.

Again, yes I would buy the same kit for more with quality blocks. And again, I would not expect much with a $200 model, but when a model sells for upwards of $1,200, I think it should include all quality items. Of course, there are different definitions of quality. A 3D cannon barrel costs a fraction of what a turned brass barrel costs, but I'd prefer it if it is accurate. And yes, this is speculation to some extent. But I, and I believe others, are simply asking, exactly, what they are getting for their money, and stating their preferences as to what they would like their future products to include.
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I have to ask exactly what parts or accessories are not good quality?
 
Signet said:
Again, yes I would buy the same kit for more with quality blocks. And again, I would not expect much with a $200 model, but when a model sells for upwards of $1,200, I think it should include all quality items. Of course, there are different definitions of quality. A 3D cannon barrel costs a fraction of what a turned brass barrel costs, but I'd prefer it if it is accurate. And yes, this is speculation to some extent. But I, and I believe others, are simply asking, exactly, what they are getting for their money, and stating their preferences as to what they would like their future products to include.
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For most of the kits on the market, we have kit reviews. We asked members to provide reviews for the kits they buy. Have you checked one? At least, you know what to expect from the kit. BTW, Olga, who you are referring to, built her model with all the parts supplied in the kit. Upscale to better blocks and ropes was purely your decision.
Also, how you have calculated the cost of a 3D barrel against the brass ones? What makes you determine that 3D will cost less? Do you run the business?

All and all, nothing wrong with having better kits for less money. But if people are still buying kits with bad blocks and unpleasant ropes why they should bother for a change?
 
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