Corsair H.M.S. Enterprize Build Log

[Corsair]

Good morning Jeff. Ahhh, looking mighty fine. Cheers Grant

Thanks Grant.

 

[Corsair]

I'm a bit frustrated ! So, I've been away from my build for a bit. Still a bit sick and just haven't felt much like working on it. Well, today I felt a bit better and thought I would go out and do a little work on my model. Started working on the next of the inner planks and then decided that I would get out the parts for the counter timbers. So, I'm looking through the box of sheets of parts and lo and behold, I come across sheet G1. On it I see another set of transom timbers. I did the transom pieces quite some time ago and according to the plans (see below) they are parts F1-5 and F1-6 for the transom wing and parts F2-5, F2-6, F2-14 and F2-15 for the other transom timbers

The new ones that I found are G1-12, G1-13, G1-15 and G1-16. I figured out that the transom timbers should actually be the 2 pieces sandwiched together before they are installed, making them thicker. Of course, with the way they are trapped between the stern post and the aft most cant frame, there is no way to "slide them into place. I'm NOT going to start removing all the transom timbers and the aft cant frames to add these parts in where they are supposed to be.

I might be able to slip them in if I cut them in half (port and starboard) I will let you all know how it goes.

It really is a shame that a kit of this complexity, quality and cost should have these kinds of issues.
So, if you are considering this kit, be aware of this issue.

 

[GrantTyler]

Good morning Jeff. Im happy to hear you are feeling a little better- get well. Yep, I think every kit has some issues even the really good ones..........they do it on purpose just to frustrate us mere mortals . Cheers Grant

 

[Albert Mary]

I'm a bit frustrated ! So, I've been away from my build for a bit. Still a bit sick and just haven't felt much like working on it. Well, today I felt a bit better and thought I would go out and do a little work on my model. Started working on the next of the inner planks and then decided that I would get out the parts for the counter timbers. So, I'm looking through the box of sheets of parts and lo and behold, I come across sheet G1. On it I see another set of transom timbers. I did the transom pieces quite some time ago and according to the plans (see below) they are parts F1-5 and F1-6 for the transom wing and parts F2-5, F2-6, F2-14 and F2-15 for the other transom timbers
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The new ones that I found are G1-12, G1-13, G1-15 and G1-16. I figured out that the transom timbers should actually be the 2 pieces sandwiched together before they are installed, making them thicker. Of course, with the way they are trapped between the stern post and the aft most cant frame, there is no way to "slide them into place. I'm NOT going to start removing all the transom timbers and the aft cant frames to add these parts in where they are supposed to be.

I might be able to slip them in if I cut them in half (port and starboard) I will let you all know how it goes.

It really is a shame that a kit of this complexity, quality and cost should have these kinds of issues.
So, if you are considering this kit, be aware of this issue.

Hey Corsair, commiseration with you for your frustrating experience. I just felt the same as I realaized some of laser cut stuff of my Hoy was hardly worth the price of the fresh cherry billet they came from, i.e. beams too scarce or sandwich-fashioned, etc. May I ask you how thick were the G parts ad how their lacking affects the transom timber? Regards, Albert

 

[arban007]

Cut along the marked red line and retain the removed small block. This will create space to install the stern cross wing. Afterwards, paste the removed small block back into place. Since this part is located inside the keel, the pasting marks will not be visible after the ship model is completed!
I believe this issue is not due to the design itself, but rather a problem with the installation sequence by the designer. The stern section should have been installed first, followed by the ribs, which would have prevented this problem from occurring!
I hope this method helps you!

 

[TRS7139]

Another option, I would cut them in half.
As I see it the likely issue will be the angled ends which fit tight to the frames with involved angles making for a tough fit.
As Arban states anything in the middle will likely be well hidden.
Even when fitting tight to frames, if you have a resulting gap in middle, you can make a filler, trim/sand….you’ll never see it.
Even though I was ahead, you might remember, I posted about the 2 piece transom laminates, which in my case were a bit mismatched on color, why I ended up making them from stock, one piece.
Good luck, should be fairly straight forward.

Tim

 

[Corsair]

So, first I want to thank you guys for continuing to follow my log and especially for making suggestions !

Good morning Jeff. Im happy to hear you are feeling a little better- get well. Yep, I think every kit has some issues even the really good ones..........they do it on purpose just to frustrate us mere mortals . Cheers Grant

Yes Grant, you are possibly correct that they do it on purpose.

Cut along the marked red line and retain the removed small block. This will create space to install the stern cross wing. Afterwards, paste the removed small block back into place. Since this part is located inside the keel, the pasting marks will not be visible after the ship model is completed!
I believe this issue is not due to the design itself, but rather a problem with the installation sequence by the designer. The stern section should have been installed first, followed by the ribs, which would have prevented this problem from occurring!
I hope this method helps you!

Thank you for the suggestions Arban. Yes, it probably would have been better to change the sequence of construction. However, I didn't even know about the second piece for the transom timbers until I found them in the sheets totally by accident. Your idea would work very well if I had not installed part of all of the transom timbers already. Your build continues to be stunningly beautiful !

Another option, I would cut them in half.
As I see it the likely issue will be the angled ends which fit tight to the frames with involved angles making for a tough fit.
As Arban states anything in the middle will likely be well hidden.
Even when fitting tight to frames, if you have a resulting gap in middle, you can make a filler, trim/sand….you’ll never see it.
Even though I was ahead, you might remember, I posted about the 2 piece transom laminates, which in my case were a bit mismatched on color, why I ended up making them from stock, one piece.
Good luck, should be fairly straight forward.

Tim

Thanks Tim, I believe that is the path I will try first. Yes, I remember you commenting about the 2 piece transom laminates, however, the instructions only show 2 pieces for the top transom wing which is what I thought you were commenting on. Part of the challenge is that when I installed the parts, I installed them in the middle of the slot of the stern post. These additional pieces I believe are for the bottom of the installed part. At worst, I'll leave the additional parts out and the odds are no one will be able to tell.

Hey Corsair, commiseration with you for your frustrating experience. I just felt the same as I realaized some of laser cut stuff of my Hoy was hardly worth the price of the fresh cherry billet they came from, i.e. beams too scarce or sandwich-fashioned, etc. May I ask you how thick were the G parts ad how their lacking affects the transom timber? Regards, Albert

In response to your question about the thickness, The installed pieces are about 3mm thick. The additional pieces measure 1.7mm thick.

 

[TRS7139]

Well, if you used Titebond for the instillation you can soak joints with 90% alcohol to debond and slide them up giving you room.
Personally, even if you leave them alone, not particularly noticeable.
Tim