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HMS Vanguard - Amati - scale 1:72 - Foto
Andrey, will you make a combat interlacing of the stay and the moose stay? The 74-gun model from Greenwich has binding, but it is barely visible in the photographs.
Андрей, будешь делать "боевое" переплетение штагов с лось-штагами? На модели 74-пп из Гринвича переплёт есть, но слабо виден на фотографиях.
Андрей, будешь делать "боевое" переплетение штагов с лось-штагами? На модели 74-пп из Гринвича переплёт есть, но слабо виден на фотографиях.
A lot of Work to make tye not and Seising, but general this is what I did -when bulding -fantastic seising with the reight colour.-el capi
Wow, excellent!
Here are a few of my big number of images, but they have lll been mixed up, so the next month with be to sort them out in files.
= preventer stay
Stunningly beautiful stay mouses and rigging. Your skill is breathtaking.
I thought some might find this interesting, if not worth worrying about. It is great that multiple sources are being shown in the pictures above but some information is confusing. For example, in the drawing on the left the portion of the drawing on the top shows shroud laid rope but the closeup with the contrastay (preventer stay) shows cable laid rope. Which is correct? The English used cable laid rope for the stays but I have no idea what the Spanish Navy used.
Petersson's book does not help as he shows cable laid rope for the stays in the close up but shroud laid on the rigged stay. He is also inconsistent on other pages so is of no help. FWIW James Lees writes that the stays were cable laid rope on English ships.
Allan
It is great that multiple sources are being shown in the pictures above but some information is confusing. For example, in the drawing on the left the portion of the drawing on the top shows shroud laid rope but the closeup with the contrastay (preventer stay) shows cable laid rope. Which is correct? The English used cable laid rope for the stays but I have no idea what the Spanish Navy used.Petersson's book does not help as he shows cable laid rope for the stays in the close up but shroud laid on the rigged stay. He is also inconsistent on other pages so is of no help. FWIW James Lees writes that the stays were cable laid rope on English ships.
Allan
Allan! You have David Steel's tables, don't you? They have all the answers to your questions on English rigging for the period in question. For example, it indicates which shrouds and stays on the 74-gun were made differently.
I did it on Mercury, I will probably do it again. На Меркурии делал, наверное буду делать.
Игорь, за счет чего удерживались по месту краги на бушприте? В книгах и на моделях бушприт в месте расположения крагов голый. Установил фока штаг но его чуть задень он смещается к низу
Igor, how were the gauntlets held in place on the bowsprit? In the books and on the models the bowsprit is bare where the gauntlets are located. I installed the foresail but when I touch it a little it shifts downwards
Есть, берегу как зеницу ока!
Yes, I keep it like the apple of my eye!
Hi Iutar!
Yes as well as others including James Lees' The Masting and Rigging English Ships of War. In this case I was talking about stays made of cable laid or shroud laid rope, not the shrouds themselves. I suspect this is a translation issue
. The Spanish drawing in post #246 above that I pointed out show both cable laid and shroud laid rope for the same stay. Petersson makes the same mistake showing the stay as shroud laid on one side of the page, but cable laid on the other side of the page. A small detail perhaps, but the drawings are not clear as they are shown. What is the difference between hawser laid and shroud laid rope? Both are right hand twist. I see no mention of the term shroud laid in Steel's work so I wonder if the terms are interchangeable.
Allan
Regarding the main stay the chart below from Steel shows four strand cable laid rope for the main stay which agrees with Lees book. Steel also lists four strand cable laid rope for the forestay.
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Андрей, на бушприт прибивались стоп-клампы, которые не позволяли сползать вниз. На картинках из Стила стоп-клампы опущены на всём рангоуте, вероятно, чтобы не захламлять чертежи. Про реставрацию модели из Гринвича у меня нет информации, и почему Гудвин так поставил краги, я не знаю. Штаг-краги при "сползании" упираются в стропы штаг-блоков бакштагов бушприта, а те упираются в стоп-кампы - это видно на фото Виктори. Дэвид Антшерл тоже пишет, что штаг-краги плотно прижимались к стропам штаг-блоков, а те удерживались стоп-клампами.
Andrey, stop clamps were nailed to the bowsprit to prevent it from sliding down. In the pictures from Steel, the stop clamps are lowered on the entire rigging, probably to avoid cluttering the drawings. I have no information about the restoration of the Greenwich model, and I don't know why Goodwin put the mittens like that. When "sliding", the stays rest against the stays of the bowsprit backstays, and they rest against the stop clamps - this can be seen in Victory's photo. David Antscherl also writes that the stays were pressed tightly against the stays of the blocks, and they were held by the stop clamps.
