A Dutch Fluyt in shell first, reconstructing the "Ghost ship" scale 1:36

Jimsky said:
Please do bother us with photos of the second one (if this is not too much ask ;)) I love those become live step by step. Will you add diluted bitumen Juda to visualise\deepen the dimples?
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Hi Jim,

Sorry man he will be covered in oil paint in the near future. This model will get a life like appearence. The hull wil be in bitumen. The statues painted in colour.
 
Maarten, I'm catching up on some of my favorite builds. Wonderful progress you've made on your ship. I agree with Uwek, you could stop right where you are and present your project as a diorama of a shipyard build! You certainly have shown us all some of your hidden carving talents as your Hoekman element turned out great. I do appreciate you presenting him in the stylistic flavor of the times.

Really well done.
 
Maarten said:
The first Hoekman is finished except for some brushing and buffing which I will do at home.
The second layer of hair is added and I fine tuned his body to give him more waist. His shoulders are lower and his chest is reduced. The lower and upper consoles will be cut when he is fitted on the ship.

The statue is all cut with chisels except for a slot between his legs and the top of his head which were done with a rotary bit.
See below.
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I won t bother you with cutting the second one :)
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Good afternoon Maarten. Bravo. What a wonderful log about your carving of the Hoekman. Brilliantly executed Maarten. Cheers Grant
 
Thx gents again for comments and likes.
And although work on the second hoekman is going on in the background I am back in my workshop and continue with the hull.

After a lot of the hull design tutorials of @Waldemar I decided to do a little fine tuning on my main frame design and came up with the following design in blue compared to the prevous in black.
New main frame design.jpg

If I project this on a 3D sonar scan of the wreck it perfectly fits.
Hull design vs sonar scan.jpg

And below in blue comparing with the ralamb fluyt which seems to have far less tumble home then the ghost ship but is of a slightly later period.
Ghost ship vs Ralamb.jpg

The new main frame design now allows me to continue with the first floor and bilge frame to continue on the 3 bilge planks of the ship.

I also found data of a new wreck in Dutch waters which is mentioned as a straatsvaarder, which means a ship sailing to the mediterranean typpically a fluyt.
This ship seems to have a complete flat bottom.
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Oostvoornse Meer 8 (OVM 8), Netherlands - 3D model by waterduvel

South of the port of Rotterdam lies a lake which used to be the river outlet of the Brielse Maas. This was the main shipping lane to the port of Rotterdam from the 13th until the 18th century. In 2014, the Dutch Cultural Heritage Agency (RCE), conducted an archaeological assessment of the OVM 8...
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So I will keep the flat bottom for my hull.
 
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Maarten said:
Thx gents again for comments and likes.
And although work on the second hoekman is going on in the background I am back in my workshop and continue with the hull.

After a lot of the hull design tutorials of @Waldemar I decided to do a little fine tuning on my main frame design and came up with the following design in blue compared to the prevous in black.
View attachment 392203

If I project this on a 3D sonar scan of the wreck it perfectly fits.
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And below in blue comparing with the ralamb fluyt which seems to have far less tumble home then the ghost ship but is of a slightly later period.
View attachment 392202

The new main frame design now allows me to continue with the first floor and bilge frame to continue on the 3 bilge planks of the ship.

I also found data of a new wreck in Dutch waters which is mentioned as a straatsvaarder, which means a ship sailing to the mediterranean typpically a fluyt.
This ship seems to have a complete flat bottom.
sketchfab.com

Oostvoornse Meer 8 (OVM 8), Netherlands - 3D model by waterduvel

South of the port of Rotterdam lies a lake which used to be the river outlet of the Brielse Maas. This was the main shipping lane to the port of Rotterdam from the 13th until the 18th century. In 2014, the Dutch Cultural Heritage Agency (RCE), conducted an archaeological assessment of the OVM 8...
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So I will keep the flat bottom for my hull.
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Hello Maarten,
Two questions, based on your sketches:
1) Will you corner the sharp edge between the hold's plane and the R=1/4W?
2) How will you configure the hold's plane and the rebate in the keel? I've seen examples where the garboards are angled to meet the rebate in the keel:
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RDN1954 said:
Hello Maarten,
Two questions, based on your sketches:
1) Will you corner the sharp edge between the hold's plane and the R=1/4W?
2) How will you configure the hold's plane and the rebate in the keel? I've seen examples where the garboards are angled to meet the rebate in the keel:
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Yes, the sharp edge is a common part of the design of a lot off shell first hulls. I want to experiment with this so put it into my design. I think it will also help me to close the first bilge plank around the bow. We will see.

My garboard stroke is already angled creating space for the pumps, but I don t draw this as it is not controlled by the frames but by the rabbet.
 
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Maarten said:
Yes, the sharp edge is a common part of the design of a lot off shell first hulls. I want to experiment with this so put it into my design. I think it will also help me to close the first bilge plank around the bow. We will see.

My garboard stroke is already angled creating space for the pumps, but I don t draw this as it is not controlled by the frames but by the rabbet.
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Okay, thanks for your reply.
In the mean time, I'm still curious about the frame radii you used, as I came across another discussion on this particular topic, but I'm having difficulty tracing back what and where. To be continued
 
RDN1954 said:
Okay, thanks for your reply.
In the mean time, I'm still curious about the frame radii you used, as I came across another discussion on this particular topic, but I'm having difficulty tracing back what and where. To be continued
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I am curious which discussion you found, most probably Waldemar s. The radii used are not fixed by rules. I used the radii which fitted my design which came from the wreck drawings except for the lower hull which is sunken into the sea bed.
For this I used the ratios as mentioned by Witsen for the floor and bilge, these points are crossed by this pair of radii. Secondly I have choosen radii which have plain fractures of the vessels width, as there was no decimal system in the 17th century.

Most probably these radii were the shipwrights experience and craftmanship.
 
Maarten said:
I am curious which discussion you found, most probably Waldemar s. The radii used are not fixed by rules. I used the radii which fitted my design which came from the wreck drawings except for the lower hull which is sunken into the sea bed.
For this I used the ratios as mentioned by Witsen for the floor and bilge, these points are crossed by this pair of radii. Secondly I have choosen radii which have plain fractures of the vessels width, as there was no decimal system in the 17th century.

Most probably these radii were the shipwrights experience and craftmanship.
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If I recall correctly it was Hoving comparing Witsen's publication with the publication of a French author. It might take me a while; there's so much (conflicting) information floating about...
 
After fine tuning the center frame the floor and bilge frame part are prepared.
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These are the only frame members joined together, all other frame members will only be fitted to the planking. Fitting with two treenails each of 1,5 Amsterdamse duim.
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Marking the center.
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And fit it at 1/3 of the ships length.
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Next step is fitting the first bilge planks around the bow.
 
Witaj
Oglądam twoją relację z ogromną przyjemnością jest to coś nowego dla mnie czekam na więcej . Pozdrawiam Mirek

Hello
I watch your report with great pleasure, it's something new for me, I'm waiting for more. Regards, Mirek
 
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