Build Log "CAF" HMS Enterprise

Back at it, struggled through the cheeks and headrails...partly directions, partly beginner build issues, ending up tearing out original, and rebuilding with individual pieces...still needs some touching up. Wasnt sure on the color scheme, have seen several different versions. Also finishing up the remaining guns on the main deck, prior to adding gangways. Also, started adding deck furniture to the Quarter Deck. Yes, the wheel actually does turn the rudder!!

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Very good work and accurate execution of the details - I like the overall appearance very much

Only one detail, which I realized and maybe you think about it

It is the lodging knees marked with the green arrow. They are making from technical point of view at this location and height no sense, because they are on the height of the planking. If there was a knee, than it would be under the planking of the small podest - I would simply remove these two knees (BTW at the poop, you do not have such a lodging knee at the beam)
And your small gangways are not connecting the two decks - two meters are missing - but maybe this is shown in such a way in the drawings - for me it woul make sense, if the gangway would also end directly at the forecaste deck, so seamen could walk from poop to forecastle.....
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Uwek said:
Very good work and accurate execution of the details - I like the overall appearance very much

Only one detail, which I realized and maybe you think about it

It is the lodging knees marked with the green arrow. They are making from technical point of view at this location and height no sense, because they are on the height of the planking. If there was a knee, than it would be under the planking of the small podest - I would simply remove these two knees (BTW at the poop, you do not have such a lodging knee at the beam)
And your small gangways are not connecting the two decks - two meters are missing - but maybe this is shown in such a way in the drawings - for me it woul make sense, if the gangway would also end directly at the forecaste deck, so seamen could walk from poop to forecastle.....
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Uwe, thanks for the kind feedback, I thought both of the items that you pointed out were a bit strange. Ive attached the Plans from Caf Im working with, maybe the 2 knees go under the podest, and I miss interpreted the plans. The Gangways as well show a non connection to the forecastle. CAF actually sends a blank deck, which I planked over. Thoughts? Also the Blue arrows going to the quarterdeck on the Star Board side...what are you indicating there? Again, thanks!! Paul

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Uwe, thanks for the kind feedback, I thought both of the items that you pointed out were a bit strange. Ive attached the Plans from Caf Im working with, maybe the 2 knees go under the podest, and I miss interpreted the plans. The Gangways as well show a non connection to the forecastle. CAF actually sends a blank deck, which I planked over. Thoughts? Also the Blue arrows going to the quarterdeck on the Star Board side...what are you indicating there? Again, thanks!! Paul

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Paul132 said:
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Uwe, thanks for the kind feedback, I thought both of the items that you pointed out were a bit strange. Ive attached the Plans from Caf Im working with, maybe the 2 knees go under the podest, and I miss interpreted the plans. The Gangways as well show a non connection to the forecastle. CAF actually sends a blank deck, which I planked over. Thoughts? Also the Blue arrows going to the quarterdeck on the Star Board side...what are you indicating there? Again, thanks!! Paul

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Sorry for the blue arrows - this was a first point, these are the lodging knees towards the beams and the strange lodging knees (with green arrow) are in principle the same towards the last beam - so not important (the blue arrows)

The red knee in the manual skecth 142 is laying slightly under the planking - so it seems that it is the knee for the beam
I would not install this knee - strange - the original shipwrights would have solved this differently under the planking of this small platform
Also I can see, that the gangway is shown in the drawings shorter
On skecth 142 we can see, that the gangway is starting at the hanging knee of this platform, but definitely it is too short.
I am thinking about the reason, why such a gangway is not connect the two decks? What could be the reason of the shipwright? There is nothing there, now guns, no small riffles or something else,.....
 
Uwek said:
Sorry for the blue arrows - this was a first point, these are the lodging knees towards the beams and the strange lodging knees (with green arrow) are in principle the same towards the last beam - so not important (the blue arrows)

The red knee in the manual skecth 142 is laying slightly under the planking - so it seems that it is the knee for the beam
I would not install this knee - strange - the original shipwrights would have solved this differently under the planking of this small platform
Also I can see, that the gangway is shown in the drawings shorter
On skecth 142 we can see, that the gangway is starting at the hanging knee of this platform, but definitely it is too short.
I am thinking about the reason, why such a gangway is not connect the two decks? What could be the reason of the shipwright? There is nothing there, now guns, no small riffles or something else,.....
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yes strange, they can get at the ships boats from there, which will be on the beams over the open deck. I'll have to check the prints at the Royal Greenwich Maritime, I noticed they had a few prints on HMS Enterprise. Thanks, Again!
 
Paul132 said:
yes strange, they can get at the ships boats from there, which will be on the beams over the open deck. I'll have to check the prints at the Royal Greenwich Maritime, I noticed they had a few prints on HMS Enterprise. Thanks, Again!
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Paul132 said:
yes strange, they can get at the ships boats from there, which will be on the beams over the open deck. I'll have to check the prints at the Royal Greenwich Maritime, I noticed they had a few prints on HMS Enterprise. Thanks, Again!
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The Print was of the Surprise, not the enterprise, but does not show Gangways, BTW, this museum has over 4000 ship plans on file

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Uwek said:
Sorry for the blue arrows - this was a first point, these are the lodging knees towards the beams and the strange lodging knees (with green arrow) are in principle the same towards the last beam - so not important (the blue arrows)

The red knee in the manual skecth 142 is laying slightly under the planking - so it seems that it is the knee for the beam
I would not install this knee - strange - the original shipwrights would have solved this differently under the planking of this small platform
Also I can see, that the gangway is shown in the drawings shorter
On skecth 142 we can see, that the gangway is starting at the hanging knee of this platform, but definitely it is too short.
I am thinking about the reason, why such a gangway is not connect the two decks? What could be the reason of the shipwright? There is nothing there, now guns, no small riffles or something else,.....
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I have to revise my information, better my thoughts about this lodging knee

Looking at the book

The Sailing Frigate: A History in Ship Models
by Robert GARDINER
Illustrated from the Collections of the National Maritime Museum

Book review - Book Review / Look Inside: "THE SAILING FRIGATE, a History in Ship Models" by Robert Gardiner

The Sailing Frigate: A History in Ship Models by Robert GARDINER Illustrated from the Collections of the National Maritime Museum Paperback: 128 pages Publisher: Naval Institute Press; Reprint edition (March 15, 2016) Language: English ISBN-10: 184832295X ISBN-13: 978-1848322950 Product...
shipsofscale.com

I found these pages related to "Filling in the Waist"

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and a short description of this model

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and here we can see a similar situation like on your model

And I found the model at the NMM page


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Warship; Frigate; Amazon class; Fifth rate; 32 guns​

Scale 1:32. Built at this slightly larger and unusual scale, the model is a fine example of the Georgian style of modelling, with a fully planked hull and partially planked decks. The hull is constructed 'bread-and-butter’ fashion, of wooden planks glued together horizontally and then shaped externally to fit templates taken from the building plans. The wooden core is then gouged out internally to produce a shell of about an inch thick, over which the planking, deck beams and decoration are applied.
The model has been made to a high standard of workmanship and includes some fittings not always shown, such as the compass binnacle just forward of the wheel, shot racks between the guns, the hammock-netting stanchions and swivel guns on the ship's side.

Warship; Frigate; Amazon class; Fifth rate; 32 guns | Royal Museums Greenwich

www.rmg.co.uk www.rmg.co.uk

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and the same photo like above in bigger size

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definitely this lodgeing knee is at the same location

and also we can find a gangway, which seems not to connect both sides - it was only the access to the swiffelguns - on the model you can see the brackets

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Red - the knee
green - end of gangway
blue - swiffelguns

Means also, that CAF made a very good research for this detail - and I guess, that there is somewhere a contemporary drawing of this frigate class (or maybe this model) showing these details.

I am so sorry with my wrong interpretation and producing some troubles
Sorry
 
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Paul132 said:
The Print was of the Surprise, not the enterprise, but does not show Gangways, BTW, this museum has over 4000 ship plans on file

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Here are the contemporary drawings of the Enterprize


you can also search for the individual ships of the same class, so maybe you can find some more interesting drawings and / or models
 
Uwek said:
I have to revise my information, better my thoughts about this lodging knee

Looking at the book

The Sailing Frigate: A History in Ship Models
by Robert GARDINER
Illustrated from the Collections of the National Maritime Museum

Book review - Book Review / Look Inside: "THE SAILING FRIGATE, a History in Ship Models" by Robert Gardiner

The Sailing Frigate: A History in Ship Models by Robert GARDINER Illustrated from the Collections of the National Maritime Museum Paperback: 128 pages Publisher: Naval Institute Press; Reprint edition (March 15, 2016) Language: English ISBN-10: 184832295X ISBN-13: 978-1848322950 Product...
shipsofscale.com

I found these pages related to "Filling in the Waist"

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and a short description of this model

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and here we can see a similar situation like on your model

And I found the model at the NMM page


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Warship; Frigate; Amazon class; Fifth rate; 32 guns​

Scale 1:32. Built at this slightly larger and unusual scale, the model is a fine example of the Georgian style of modelling, with a fully planked hull and partially planked decks. The hull is constructed 'bread-and-butter’ fashion, of wooden planks glued together horizontally and then shaped externally to fit templates taken from the building plans. The wooden core is then gouged out internally to produce a shell of about an inch thick, over which the planking, deck beams and decoration are applied.
The model has been made to a high standard of workmanship and includes some fittings not always shown, such as the compass binnacle just forward of the wheel, shot racks between the guns, the hammock-netting stanchions and swivel guns on the ship's side.

Warship; Frigate; Amazon class; Fifth rate; 32 guns | Royal Museums Greenwich

www.rmg.co.uk www.rmg.co.uk

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and the same photo like above in bigger size

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definitely this lodgeing knee is at the same location

and also we can find a gangway, which seems not to connect both sides - it was only the access to the swiffelguns - on the model you can see the brackets

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Red - the knee
green - end of gangway
blue - swiffelguns

Means also, that CAF made a very good research for this detail - and I guess, that there is somewhere a contemporary drawing of this frigate class (or maybe this model) showing these details.

I am so sorry with my wrong interpretation and producing some troubles
Sorry
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Uwe, thanks so much for the info and pictures. and Prints...Very informative and helpful!
 
Paul132 said:
Just a bit today, finished installing the carronades and the capstan

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Good morning Paul. I love carronades on British ships. They are the best looking guns. The last pic shows your detail so well. The look through into the lower deck canons and quarters is awesome (the chequered flooring was so worthwhile) Cheers Grant
 
Thanks Grant!
GrantTyler said:
Good morning Paul. I love carronades on British ships. They are the best looking guns. The last pic shows your detail so well. The look through into the lower deck canons and quarters is awesome (the chequered flooring was so worthwhile) Cheers Gran
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Working on detail now...lashing the boats, adding steps, starting to build the 6 gunport lids. Waiting on more chainplates and deadeyes to arrive, as well as oars for the ships boats

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