Szkutnik - New Products FIGUREHEADS FOR MODELS - CNC MILLING / 3D PRINT - for private orders
hmm.. matter of taste. An 18th century ship with a lady that looks like a cheap TikTok model..no thanks.Such a beautiful decoration, specifically the ladies,are you using the actual models to create a model?
(sorry..just my impression)
..yes they are, and that is exactly why I think they don't fit a historic ship (again..just my opinion)
the decorations look beautiful! But these sexyfied girls, modelled after present 'beauty standards'?.. no.
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In my humble opinion, given the fact that almost any ship of the line got gorgeous and exquisite carving works and figureheads, I guess that sculpture's quality could have been just a metter of money. Then why should vernacular figureheads have to be considered as the ones historically accurate? Is well knonw wealthy captains could buy themselves forniture, provisions, customize artillery, apply gold leaf here and there and even paint the ship to their own taste. So why not a beatiful piece of art on their ships' stern? I also consider that our models are going to be showed in our livings as pieces of forniture well before as accurate hystorical "documents"...yes they are, and that is exactly why I think they don't fit a historic ship (again..just my opinion)
the decorations look beautiful! But these sexyfied girls, modelled after present 'beauty standards'?.. no.
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Of course..there is no right or wrong, as I said before it is a matter of taste (which is something you can not argue about).
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..looks to me as something from a soft porno magazine. No way a captain in the 17-20th century would have this on his ship,
no matter the budget for carving.
Also, this is modelled after our current beauty standards.. 200 years ago these women would be considered malnourished;-)
The ornamental decorations look great, and the quality of the printing is fantastic.
Again, I don't want to be contrarian or start an argument..to my eyes it is just bad taste
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In this particular case I definitely quote you... . That level of explicity and even the standards of beauty do not belong to any of the past Centuries. Is altough a matter of historical accuracy more than a bad taste one.Of course..there is no right or wrong, as I said before it is a matter of taste (which is something you can not argue about).
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..looks to me as something from a soft porno magazine. No way a captain in the 17-20th century would have this on his ship,
no matter the budget for carving.
Also, this is modelled after our current beauty standards.. 200 years ago these women would be considered malnourished;-)
The ornamental decorations look great, and the quality of the printing is fantastic.
Again, I don't want to be contrarian or start an argument..to my eyes it is just bad taste
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. When designing, We try to use shipyard documentation, various types of drawings and sketches from a given era of sailing ships, museum exhibits. Additionaly knowledge of history, architecture, sculpture, etc.
@John Hendrix - OUR "TIC-TOC MODELS" for sailing ship MAX EMMANUEL among other things, they were based on the book written by Wolfram zu Mondfeld.
@Jimsky - I don't use the actual models. My wife would be jealous.Such a beautiful decoration, specifically the ladies,
. When designing, We try to use shipyard documentation, various types of drawings and sketches from a given era of sailing ships, museum exhibits. Additionaly knowledge of history, architecture, sculpture, etc.@John Hendrix - OUR "TIC-TOC MODELS" for sailing ship MAX EMMANUEL among other things, they were based on the book written by Wolfram zu Mondfeld.
Of course..there is no right or wrong, as I said before it is a matter of taste (which is something you can not argue about).
This:...
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..looks to me as something from a soft porno magazine. No way a captain in the 17-20th century would have this on his ship,
no matter the budget for carving.
Also, this is modelled after our current beauty standards.. 200 years ago these women would be considered malnourished;-)
The ornamental decorations look great, and the quality of the printing is fantastic.
Again, I don't want to be contrarian or start an argument..to my eyes it is just bad taste
, and yes - I agree with this, generally. Are the figures beautiful? Absolutely! Do they conform more to modern conventional beauty standards? Yes, I think so. If the Renaissance painters are to be believed, period models would have been less busty, in general, and less "fit," in a modern sense.If I had, somehow, managed to model such a beauty with my own hands - would I have been more than happy to put her on my model? Absolutely! I'm learning as I go, but either standard of beauty is aspirational to me. Especially with full-figure carvings.
This, I think, is a reasonable critique. I can't say whether computer modeling is any easier than actual carving because I have no experience of the former. If I had ZERO carving ability, I would be very happy with these results.
And, a side-note: Szkutnik's attention to sculptural detail is par excellance!
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Rubens would have eventually considered that model as far too skinny for any of his paint. Almost a starving girl, if I may say.
Only to deliver some additional information about the Max Emanuel launched in 1711.
This vessel was a magnificence ship of Maximilian II. Emanuel, Elector of Bavaria and not any warship or similar.
During his entire reign Maximilian II Emanuel patronized the arts. As governor of the Spanish Netherlands he acquired numerous Dutch and Flemish paintings for the Wittelsbach collection.
The first half of Max Emanuel's reign was still dominated by his parents' Italian court artists, like Enrico Zuccalli and Giovanni Antonio Viscardi. Between 1684 and 1688, Zuccalli built the Italian style Lustheim Palace for Max Emanuel and his first wife Maria Antonia, located on a central island. With the appointment of Joseph Effner serving as chief architect of the court and the young François de Cuvilliés as his assistant, the French influence significantly increased and Max Emanuel's return in 1715 marked the origin of the era of Bavarian Rococo.
The Nymphenburg Palace was enlarged, the Dachau Palace redesigned, and the new Schleissheim Palace was finally completed (1726) during Max Emanuel's reign. These palaces were connected with a network of canals as Max Emanuel had become acquainted with in the Netherlands. Between 1715 and 1717, he had the Baroque style Fürstenried Palace built by Effner as a hunting lodge which was the extension and modification of an already existing noble mansion
en.wikipedia.org
Here is a model of this ship, also build based on the Mondfeld drawings - originals are not existing
www.arbeitskreis-historischer-schiffbau.de
This vessel was a magnificence ship of Maximilian II. Emanuel, Elector of Bavaria and not any warship or similar.
During his entire reign Maximilian II Emanuel patronized the arts. As governor of the Spanish Netherlands he acquired numerous Dutch and Flemish paintings for the Wittelsbach collection.
The first half of Max Emanuel's reign was still dominated by his parents' Italian court artists, like Enrico Zuccalli and Giovanni Antonio Viscardi. Between 1684 and 1688, Zuccalli built the Italian style Lustheim Palace for Max Emanuel and his first wife Maria Antonia, located on a central island. With the appointment of Joseph Effner serving as chief architect of the court and the young François de Cuvilliés as his assistant, the French influence significantly increased and Max Emanuel's return in 1715 marked the origin of the era of Bavarian Rococo.
The Nymphenburg Palace was enlarged, the Dachau Palace redesigned, and the new Schleissheim Palace was finally completed (1726) during Max Emanuel's reign. These palaces were connected with a network of canals as Max Emanuel had become acquainted with in the Netherlands. Between 1715 and 1717, he had the Baroque style Fürstenried Palace built by Effner as a hunting lodge which was the extension and modification of an already existing noble mansion
Maximilian II Emanuel, Elector of Bavaria - Wikipedia
Here is a model of this ship, also build based on the Mondfeld drawings - originals are not existing
Mitglieder - ihre Schiffe - MAX EMANUEL - Kurfürstliche Jaghd von 1711 - Arbeitskreis historischer Schiffbau e.V.
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Computer modeling is much easier than hand made carving in the wood. I can improve the decor many times. I can make many mistakes while modeling and correct them. The computer forgives everything.
There is no such comfort when you carving manually. One wrong move with the tool and the piece of wood goes to the trash.
That's I have great respect for modelers who make decorations for their sailing ships by hand.
Unfortunately, I cannot carve by hand. I have tried many times with poor results. That's why I took the easy way and started modeling on the computer.
@Hubac’s Historian -
Computer modeling is much easier than hand made carving in the wood. I can improve the decor many times. I can make many mistakes while modeling and correct them. The computer forgives everything.
There is no such comfort when you carving manually. One wrong move with the tool and the piece of wood goes to the trash.
That's I have great respect for modelers who make decorations for their sailing ships by hand.
Unfortunately, I cannot carve by hand. I have tried many times with poor results. That's why I took the easy way and started modeling on the computer.
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... there is nothing wrong with any of the methods as long as you are comfortable, even if you purchased carved or 3D print parts, IMHO.
A very interesting brickwork stove, this style I never saw before ..... is it french or british?
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