You are causing yourself what looks like a problem, Grant. But with that good planned overthinking, this will certainly provide a nice solution. A little contrarian is always nice to follow.
Regard, Peter
Regard, Peter
Grants Xebec 1:60 (using Jabeque Cazador Occre1:60 kit) [COMPLETED BUILD]
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I definitely hope we'll not end up with an acronym like BA-RF-Ing.. (Builder Approved-Retrospectively Fitted-Ingenious)Good afternoon Peter. BL-AL-FI. Yes I'm going for it. Got a little more thinking to do now after Peter (@Ptèr ) post. Cheers Grant
Good afternoon Peter. Thanks. It does provide the solution. The only issue I see coming is the port maybe in the way of the cannon rigging? I will check with a dummy cannon. I did only 4 so far so not a train smash to change. These positions work well for the hull side tho. Cheers GrantThat's a great modification Grant. I did not replace the position of the oar ports and so the gun port lids do partly cover the oar ports, so great alteration from your part! I also keep the gun port lids as one and just cover the whole with veneer.
I like your approach to the lid part....keep up the great work...
Thanks Johan. Nope no rowing banks on the Xebec. Now you mention it, they must have rowed standing? Cheers Grant
Thanks Heinrich. Now way would I attempt making those small squares even if I had a digital milling machine
Thanks Dean.Great solution Grant!
Hi Peter. Thank you.Luckily the gunports don’t change and these tiny oar ports fit well with the adjustments. My planned changes are small but numerous and structurally not much changes. It’s more the look and feel of the Xebec. My only concern now, is cannon rigging- the new oar port position may hinder the rigging? I will check that when I get home but may have been a serious oversight….. or not…I will see. I’m pretty sure many changes to my vision will occur due to simple architecture as I go. Redos a plenty on the horizon.You are causing yourself what looks like a problem, Grant. But with that good planned overthinking, this will certainly provide a nice solution. A little contrarian is always nice to follow.
Regard, Peter
. BARFing may yet occur. So far so good tho.Cheers Grant
Grant, how many instances have you discovered of port covers opening to one side?
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Although I have difficulty believing that, it could be possible.
I found this though: 3D-model by sonik52
This representation doesn't show any other rowing provisions than the oar ports.
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Probably small wooden benches or stools could easily stowed away and put in place when the ship used it's oars. It's not something that was on the deck permanently. It's in the way when manning the guns so to say.
Have you ever tried to row on a movable seat? There at least has to be a firm foot rest.
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That would be a plausible option.
I agree with you that fixed structure would be heavily interfering with gun manipulation.
Good morning Vic. Good question…
. These simulated oar ports are on the inner side of the bulkwarks. There will be a matching process on the outer side. Got to make sure they are in the exact same place - may have some fun here. Cheers GrantGood morning Johan. This is such a cool 3D Xebec! I love the rotation and seeing the planking from the underside. I have never seen a Xebec of this design before and there are a couple of features I really like. A very unusual deck structure and cannon layout for a Xebec. Thanks for this it is awesome.
This is an interesting discussion. Even on the Le Requin monograph diagrams, which I believe is the most well documented Xebec, there are no provisions for how these guys rowed their way in or out of battle etc. Just oar ports. I do know that the cannon operation could not be interfered with the oars as this was one of the strengths of these vessels during a battle.
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The subject is just mindboggeling. In order to row you need space and the oar or sweep needs to be in front of yourself to be able row. How they did it with the cannons in place just eludes me....
Thank you for another mindcracker after the stern lantern mystery....
Thank you for another mindcracker after the stern lantern mystery....
I’m not sure you’d see a lot of those on a ship.
Speaking of the Le Requin...see this
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Oké, Grant, you got your work cut out for you.
I'm expecting you to go full throttle for a Grant Xebec Special, POF, simulated
Nice!
Good morning Dean. I have most certainly seen this Le Requin. It is at another level of modelling. An exquisite model. Thanks.
Good morning Johan. I ride wide open and my modeling follows similarly…..Grants Xebec special is on its way… . May have a few “offs” along the way tho
Cheers Grant
Extremely!
Good morning.
Planking the upper deck. Continuing with a simplified Le Requin deck. I used a 3 butt pattern but only wanted 2 rows of treenails.
I also lined the start at the fore of the deck. Not sanded completely yet.
Treenails. I rather enjoy the untidy look - not intentional.
The Transom I used 3mm (rather than the kit 6mm) planks. The knees look big as they need to be worked smaller due to the smaller transom I made.These are dry fitted.
Here what my reshaped Xebec looks like so far :
I truely dislike LIME wood. Red circle - I used cotton buds to clean off any excess wood glue and even then it seeps far into the Lime (so porous). Hmmmm……..It should only ever be used for a first planking layer - note to kit manufacturers.
Cheers Grant
Planking the upper deck. Continuing with a simplified Le Requin deck. I used a 3 butt pattern but only wanted 2 rows of treenails.
I also lined the start at the fore of the deck. Not sanded completely yet.
Treenails. I rather enjoy the untidy look - not intentional.
The Transom I used 3mm (rather than the kit 6mm) planks. The knees look big as they need to be worked smaller due to the smaller transom I made.These are dry fitted.
Here what my reshaped Xebec looks like so far :
I truely dislike LIME wood. Red circle - I used cotton buds to clean off any excess wood glue and even then it seeps far into the Lime (so porous). Hmmmm……..It should only ever be used for a first planking layer - note to kit manufacturers.
Cheers Grant
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Agreed!