HIGH HOPES, WILD MEN AND THE DEVIL’S JAW - Willem Barentsz Kolderstok 1:50

rtibbs said:
Cough, cough, hack hack. Sorry H I forgot to put on my dust mask.
Lookin’ good
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Very dusty here Ron! She is getting shape. I just took a quick break from the sanding to see what is cooking here on SOS.
 
Pathfinder65 said:
I assume you do all that sanding on the "balcony" or is Anna there with the vacuum? Your work looks splendid from the view I have in the audience.

Jan
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Nope! I am sanding in the KITCHEN Jan! That is where my "shipyard" is. :D

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Once upon a time ... a long time ago ... a very long time ago ... that was a kitchen table!
 
Heinrich said:
Now it is time to show you the fairing of the hull that is in process. I sometimes find it bemusing to look at all the perfectly manicured and articulated photographs that my model building colleagues post of a finished step of the construction, but never pictures of how we actually get there. :) However, since I am trying to show aspirant builders of the Willem Barentsz the nitty gritty of how it all goes together, be prepared to get a bit dirty and dusty while reading my log.

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Here you can see the "first stage" of the fairing on the Port Side completed. First phase means that I now have a smooth and equal fit of my pre-bent plank on all the bulkheads, but since the filler pieces had not yet been added, it can still not be regarded as a final fairing. This picture was obviously taken to focus on the WB, but upon downloading it, I feel sorry for her, because the Haarlem in the background just owns this picture. :D I just LOVE that big ship.

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From the front, you can clearly see the differences in the shape and curvature of the bulkheads of the faired port side (indicated by the red arrows) as opposed to the unfaired starboard side (indicated by the yellow arrows).

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First phase fairing on the starboard side (I forgot to take a picture of this side yesterday, so this picture already shows some of the filler blocks at the bow.

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This shows both sides faired viewed from the front. This picture was taken last night - hence no filler blocks yet. Pay attention to the double-scribed lines on Bulkhead #1 which serves as a planking indication for the first plank.

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This picture shows the two filler pieces at the bow installed and sanded to shape. Now obviously the problem with this is that we "lose" the scribed lines. Don't fear though. As you are just about to finish the final shaping, you will see very feint indications where the lines start to reappear. When that happens, you can just mark them clearly like I have done in this picture. The filler pieces between the first and second bulkheads have also been added and I am waiting for the glue to dry so that I can start shaping them. Those unfinished filler pieces may look like a mess, but I can assure you that each one has been very strategically placed.

Until a little bit later when I can show you the finally shaped bow section.
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Nice work and it will have curved decks too, very cool.
 
@Richie Hi Richie. I am glad we "share" the same workshop space. I sometimes drool when I see the nice places guys get to work in, but we have to make do with what we have. Yes, the WB has curved decks both length-and crosswise. Thank you for the nice words my friend and I hope you can get back to the shipyard soon!
 
pianoforte said:
When the dust clouds in your kitchen yard have cleared, you can rally see how beautiful your ahip will be. Very good development.
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Thank you very much for the kind words Adi. The dust clouds have settled down so I will soon take a final look and do a final check-up on the hull fairing.
 
Heinrich said:
Thank you very much for the kind words Adi. The dust clouds have settled down so I will soon take a final look and do a final check-up on the hull fairing.
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Once I start sanding again, I'll voluntarily exile myself to the (unheated) garage... Redface

When you do the sanding, do you also compare left with right to ensure symmetry of the hull? Cardboard templates?

Johan
 
RDN1954 said:
When you do the sanding, do you also compare left with right to ensure symmetry of the hull? Cardboard templates?
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Very good question Johan. I do not use cardboard templates, but that is why I leave the char marks on the bulkheads. Once I have done one side and I am happy with it, I always compare the char that is left on the frames to that which is left on the other side. That way I get a very good idea how "symmetrical my sanding was.
 
OK so the front filler blocks have been sanded to shape and are finished.

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Note the wood fray. When I do the fairing I don't play around - 80 grit sandpaper, so it really devours the Balsa wood.

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With that done, I have also changed my rectangular mast hole to a round one ... and test fitted the main mast.

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The mast is in its predesignated notch sitting at the correct angle.

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Note the cross-curvature of the deck as discussed previously. And now, it's time to take a breather my friends.

Please let me hear your thoughts - your likes, dislikes, critique or just "a hello". They are all cherished and much appreciated.
 
Hello Heinrich, what a job... And in the kitchen to boot!
What struck me at the fairing of the bow segment is that there appears to be a concave curvature from the keel up to the bow, then transforming to convex. I was under the impression that bows of this era showed convex curvature from the keel upwards and from the bow aft. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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@dockattner Hi Paul. Unfortunately, in my case, it's either the kitchen or no model building. Remember, very few apartments have garages and even then a "garage" is a place in which you can store at most an e-bike. Cars sleep outside. If I were to sand outside I would be doing in front of my neighbors' front doors - basically in the street. So I create an almighty mess until five in the afternoon, then put on my apron and become housemaid for the next hour or so.

But ... you are right ... in Anna I have found an absolute jewel!

With regards to the last bulkhead before the stern - you have asked an absolutely brilliant and well-spotted question! Thumbsup These are the two pictures that you are no doubt referring to. Piet treats these two bulkheads a little differently which I will show at a slightly later stage. But spot on Paul!

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Hi Heinrich,

Sanding in the kitchen sounds great. I approached the subject here, but “no joy”. I’m relegated to the front porch, have to wear a mask and this time of year hope for a warm day.
Seriously, your work to date looks great. I’m looking forward to starting on my WB .

Jan
 
@RDN1954 Johan that is another great question - one one that I cannot give you a definite answer to. Maybe that was the case on the bigger Spiegelretourschepen like the Batavia or on the warships, but it might have been different on the smaller ships like the "jachts" and "pinas". All I can do as illustration is to show you these pictures.

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This is Piet's example at the bow which turned into this:

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what I can tell you is that the WB has a much "sharper" bow compared to the relatively blunt bow of the Batavia and the even blunter/rounder bows of the warships, but maybe @Kolderstok Hans or @Maarten can you give you a better answer.
 
Pathfinder65 said:
Hi Heinrich,

Sanding in the kitchen sounds great. I approached the subject here, but “no joy”. I’m relegated to the front porch, have to wear a mask and this time of year hope for a warm day.
Seriously, your work to date looks great. I’m looking forward to starting on my WB .

Jan
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Jan - believe me - if I had my own, designated workplace, I would have much preferred it, but the kitchen does fine. The work is coming along well, but I fitted a test plank tonight and clearly I still have more work to do on the fairing and curvatures before I can even start thinking of planking. So, tomorrow, there will be more dust ... and more clean-up work again. :)
 
Heinrich said:
@RDN1954 Johan that is another great question - one one that I cannot give you a definite answer to. Maybe that was the case on the bigger Spiegelretourschepen like the Batavia or on the warships, but it might have been different on the smaller ships like the "jachts" and "pinas". All I can do as illustration is to show you these pictures.
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This is Piet's example at the bow which turned into this:

what I can tell you is that the WB has a much "sharper" bow compared to the relatively blunt bow of the Batavia and the even blunter/rounder bows of the warships, but maybe @Kolderstok Hans or @Maarten can you give you a better answer.
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There are not that much modern drawings available regarding the form of such a ship. In the book about the ship of Willem Barentsz there are two drawings showing the lines and shape of the hull - one by Ab Hoving and Cor Emke, and one by Gerald de Weerdt. Which one to follow when you make the laser cut drawings? I decided to follow the Hoving/Emke lines, which have a little dent at the second bulkhead. Is this correct or wrong? Does it make the hull easier or more difficult to plank? I managed to get it done in a proper way, but I can imagine a complete convex curve would make things a bit easier. The funny thing here is that both the forms (with "dent" or without "dent") could both have been possible, as there was no "correct" way. The Dutch ship builders didn't use drawings (there were no drawings) and it was mainly the experience and the eye of the shipyards' master, combined with the available timber which would determine the form of the hull.
 
Kolderstok said:
There are not that much modern drawings available regarding the form of such a ship. In the book about the ship of Willem Barentsz there are two drawings showing the lines and shape of the hull - one by Ab Hoving and Cor Emke, and one by Gerald de Weerdt. Which one to follow when you make the laser cut drawings? I decided to follow the Hoving/Emke lines, which have a little dent at the second bulkhead. Is this correct or wrong? Does it make the hull easier or more difficult to plank? I managed to get it done in a proper way, but I can imagine a complete convex curve would make things a bit easier. The funny thing here is that both the forms (with "dent" or without "dent") could both have been possible, as there was no "correct" way. The Dutch ship builders didn't use drawings (there were no drawings) and it was mainly the experience and the eye of the shipyards' master, combined with the available timber which would determine the form of the hull.
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Thanks for your clarification. It shows again that we don't have unambiguous definition of these ships, not even on something as significant as the loftsurfaces of the hull.
Just following buildlogs on SOS proves to be a humbling learning experience.
 
@RDN1954 Johan yes - I would go as far to say that building a Dutch ship is a humbling experience.

In the past I have pestered Ab Hoving for definitive plans about certain Dutch warships. The more he explained that there is no such thing as a plan of a particular warship, (such as the Aemelia, the Brederode etc.), the more I still tried to pin a design down to a particular specimen. Eventually, Ab must have gotten up fed with me who kept asking the same questions and in a very nice way, gave me this answer.

I quote him verbatim:

If you want to do a Dutch ship, get used to the fact that there is no absolute truth. These vessels usually lasted 20 years or more. They were battered and bruised, [some were] shot to pieces and repaired, [others] underwent changes in design during their life time so stop thinking there is just one image of a ship and that's it. It is far better to study the ways how ships worked, how they were build, how they were managed, how the sailing system worked and so on, than thinking that there is only one way the ship should look. Look at De 7 Provincien. There is hardly a ship in out 17th century history that was depicted more often than that. Still, I can show you at least three reconstructions of the vessel, all based on sources according to their creators, and all are different. You have to look at these things from a broader perspective and then you will find out that a model is only a side product of a way of looking at things.

A lesson well learnt!
 
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