HIGH HOPES, WILD MEN AND THE DEVIL’S JAW - Willem Barentsz Kolderstok 1:50

The rope i use is the one which is in the kits. But I always have a jar of strong (cold) tea in which I put a piece of ca. 1-2 meters of string. After half an hour or so I take it out, let it dry and use it .And I do the same with the sails.
It is therefore I only put cotton in the box, as this can be colored. And this cotton has not that lots of fluff, so I don’t use wax. Sometimes, to give the rope a natural hanging I apply strong diluted pva glue onto it (with a brush).

It gives the models a more vivid character, as in real life, with used rope, loose hanging rope and sail and yards which are not aleays level.

My ship of Willen Barentsz was done in this way.
Hans
Thank you very much for the reply, Hans. That is what I suspected, but I just wanted to make sure. I will most certainly try the tea tip - I just need to see if I still have some tea somewhere in the house. Coffee is not a problem - maybe I can try my Nescafe. Seeing that my friends reckon it is not real coffee, I can always use it to stain rope. ROTF
 
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Hello Heinrich, whatever you end up doing with the rope color, I already know it will be outstanding on the WB. I know this because you're the type of person who refuses to accept anything less than your best efforts.
 
Hello Heinrich, whatever you end up doing with the rope color, I already know it will be outstanding on the WB. I know this because you're the type of person who refuses to accept anything less than your best efforts.
Thank you for the vote of confidence my friend. This is something I will have to mull over.
 
Dear Friends

Further to the rope color debate, it is worth taking a look at the Fluyt that Hans Groenenberg is building on Modelbouwforum. He is also using the white rope of Kolderstok.

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Taking into account the white of the sails, I think the white rope actually blends in very well.

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As I have come to expect of Hans, he is building a beautiful model. The @Kolderstok Fluyt remains the ultimate challenge for the ship modeler as far as hull planking is concerned. If you would like to show off your planking skills, have a go at this one! ROTF

By the way, the ship that is lurking in the background in the upper right-hand corner of the picture is Hans Groenenberg's mighty Zeven Provincien - one of the most exquisite models ever built.
 
Dear Friends

Further to the rope color debate, it is worth taking a look at the Fluyt that Hans Groenenberg is building on Modelbouwforum. He is also using the white rope of Kolderstok.

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Taking into account the white of the sails, I think the white rope actually blends in very well.

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As I have come to expect of Hans, he is building a beautiful model. The @Kolderstok Fluyt remains the ultimate challenge for the ship modeler as far as hull planking is concerned. If you would like to show off your planking skills, have a go at this one! ROTF

By the way, the ship that is lurking in the background in the upper right-hand corner of the picture is Hans Groenenberg's mighty Zeven Provincien - one of the most exquisite models ever built.
Good morning Heinrich. You are correct. With sails and complete rigging the white is not so stark. So……when are you building the mighty Zeven Provincien ;) . Cheers Grant
 
Very beautiful models!
In the first photo of "De Zeven Provincien" you can see the Dutch hull design very well: wide and flat.
Other ships have already capsized ;)

Christian
Thank you Christian. I am very glad you like the pictures. The 7P was of course built in Rotterdam for the Maze Admiralty by master shipwright, Jan Salomonszoon van den Tempel, one of the best shipbuilders in the world at the time.
 
Heinrich, in 2021 i have had the opportunity to see the models of Hans @Kolderstok, Ab @Ab Hoving, and Hans Groenenberg, and no matter what colour white was used, they were al very impressive, and beautifull.
So whatever colour you give those ropes, it is always good in my opinion
You make your choice, and surprise us please
Thank you very much for the vote of confidence, my friend. I will do exactly that! Thumbsup
 
Dear Friends

As research continues unabated (while still building at the same time, I have now found information that I did not previously have. This information comes from a paper "Schipbreuk op het Wad{denzee]" - een onderzoek naar de inrichting van het Scheurrak S01-wrak" by Alice B.M. Overmeer - 2000.Translated, it reads "Shipwreck of the Waddenzee - research into the compartmentalization of the shipwreck S01".

What is most interesting about this wreck is that it was heavily relied on by Gerald de Weerdt (shipbuilder of the Witte Zwaen replica in Harlingen) in his reconstruction of Willem Barentsz's ship - in fact his line plans and the replica itself are both based in part on the Scheurrak S01. In fact, De Weerdt goes as far as to say that his rendition of the WB is a marriage between well-known shipbuilding practices of the late 16th/early-17th centuries and the Scheurrak S01.

In the analysis, Overmeer states that research was based on four factors:

1. The archeological discovery of the wreck itself.
2. Known historical sources.
3. Previous discoveries and models of the same type of ship.
4. Knowledge of contemporary vessels.

Point No 4 is the really valuable one as the Willem Barentsz and the Scheurrak S01 were perfect contemporaries - ok, maybe not perfect (the Scheurrak was slightly older) but close enough to be called contemporaries. Thus, the direct comparisons that were made in the papers, provided me with additional information that I did not have (or that I missed along the way).

I quote the paper (not everything is included - only the relevant parts).

For the reconstruction of the WB, @Ab Hoving (hereafter I will just refer to "Ab") used the writings and drawings of Gerrit de Veer, historical information on shipbuilding at the beginning of the 17th century and the small portion of the actual hull of the WB that was discovered. These results can, however, not be extrapolated directly to that of the Scheurrak S01 (hereafter called S01). The WB was a ship of either 30 or 50 lasten and 19 meters in length while the S01 measured 130 lasten and 30 meters. This is explained by the fact that S01 was intended as a merchant ship, whilst the WB carried the mantle of "Expedition Ship". These differences aside, the two ships were contemporaries and as such the WB is relevant.

The WB was a small, two-decked ship with an "overkapping" (canopy at the bow), a "boevennet" (center/midships canopy) with a small cabin found at the stern of the ship. the ship had 3 masts with a bowsprit, was built shell first and featured a double layer of planking - each layer with a width of 4cm.

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According to De Veer, the hold of the ship is used for various purposes. In the foreship was (1) "The Hell", a small space in which consumables such as ropes and blocks were stored. Behind it was the (2) space in which the anchor cables were stored, the "kabelgat". Behind the kabelgat, in the vicinity of the large hatch, was the space (3) where merchandise was stored. Around and near the large mast (4) the water barrels and ammunition were stored. These heavy objects were important for the stability of the ship. In the back of the hold (5) was the supply of provisions and all the way in the rear of the hold, the (6) gunpowder room - the room where the stock of gunpowder was stored, was carefully placed in a room below the waterline.

The lower deck also called the (8) first deck or orlop deck was the gun deck. On each side, were seven gun ports and besides that two gun ports in the stern. The gundeck was no higher than one and a half meters. Most of the crew slept on this deck between the guns. According to Ab they probably slept in hammocks, but from Lucassen we learn that hammocks only replaced the straw bags in the first half of the seventeenth century! At the stern of the first deck was the (7) konstabelskamer (constable's room). In this room the remaining weaponry was stored although small arms were also kept in the cabin of the skipper for fear of mutiny. In addition, the constable and other officials slept in this room.

On the upper deck there was a covered part at the front which Gerrit De Veer calls the (9) "vooronder" (front canopy). The canopy did not provide permanent cover but was more of a shelter. Here stood the winch and the galley while at the same time providing access to the (10) galleon. It also served as a working platform for the front sails and accommodated the privee for the crew.

Behind the front canopy was the open part of the (11) main deck (verdek/kuil) where the boot was set up on top of the grates that allowed light and air onto the lower deck. Behind the masts was another covered area, the (12) "achteronder" or center/midships canopy which was formed by a gridded roof (as was the front canopy). Here stood the helmsman, who operated the tiller, which entered the ship from the stern and through the constable's room. Here was also the compass, because the helmsman had no further vision. Above the tiller was a deck that formed the floor of the (13) captain's cabin, the skipper's residence. here the navigation instruments were stored. Behind the vessel, a sloop or barge is also towed.

The amazing thing is that I have just once again confirmed that @Ab Hoving's interpretation was nothing short of phenomenal. Everything he said about the WB was correct.

1. The winch must be placed at the front of the canopy; not underneath where De Weerdt placed it on the replica. I am spot on in my build.
2. The helmsman did not have a hut from which he operated. I was correct in doing away with the chicken coop!
3. The boot was stored on deck, the chaloup was towed behind. My surmise is validated.
4. The position of the captain's cabin: My scratch-built effort is correct!

BUT!


4. The ship did have seven gunports - I chose six on my build. MY MISTAKE!!! (Unable to rectify)
5. Despite my best efforts, the stern on my model does not emulate that of Ab's plans correctly. The kit components simply do not allow for that type of modification to be carried out within the confines of a kit build.

So, what do I do with my newly acquired knowledge. Time to think ...
 
Very nice that it all comes together my friend
It's coming very nicely together, Peter, but I don't like the fact that there are those two items on my list which are not correct. Most people will happily accept that, but there are still inaccuracies that need to be addressed.
 
but there are still inaccuracies that need to be addressed.
I think that modelbuilding is always a mather of compromises Heinrich, and a mistake is something that can happen, you have to accept that, however nasty it is.
And you are building from a kit, so you are bound to those limitations, unless you do the same as nmbrook with his Soleil Royal
 
Interesting. I am left wondering what typical speed, in knots, the WB could make when underway.
That is a question I can answer you easily, Phil! Ab has estimated that she would be capable of up to 8 knots. These ships were excellent sailing ships, far better than the later merchantmen and Men-O-War, because their hull shape was hydrodynamically not compromised for a particular purpose.
 
I think that modelbuilding is always a mather of compromises Heinrich, and a mistake is something that can happen, you have to accept that, however nasty it is.
And you are building from a kit, so you are bound to those limitations, unless you do the same as nmbrook with his Soleil Royal
That is the thing my friend. I have to emphasize again that the Kolderstok kit is excellent for what it aimed to achieve. It is just that I am pushing the boundaries far beyond what the kit was designed for.

I will not follow Nigel's approach. However, brilliant his modeling skills are, (and I am not close to that), his build comes down to a modification of the kit, much as mine was. The correct way of doing this, is to use Ab's plans from scratch and build the ship as a POF model.

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The stern/transom is the biggest deviation from the Kolderstok kit and from the replica's build.

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The other advantage that a POF model has, is that I can then compartmentalize the ship according to the information that I have and thus make it far more detailed.

However, at this point I am just thinking aloud.

(Photographs courtesy of @Ab Hoving Ab Hoving.)
 
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