HIGH HOPES, WILD MEN AND THE DEVIL’S JAW - Willem Barentsz Kolderstok 1:50

The other advantage that a POF model has, is that I can then compartmentalize the ship according to the information that I have and thus make it far more detailed.

However, at this point I am just thinking aloud.

Ah yes, my friend that has to be possible without powertools, Jan Zwart build his Victory in small layers like that, but it will require skills which i have never practised, and i think neither have you.
There is only one solution, stop dreaming about it, just start with it and see how far you can come.
 
Ah yes, my friend that has to be possible without powertools, Jan Zwart build his Victory in small layers like that, but it will require skills which i have never practised, and i think neither have you.
There is only one solution, stop dreaming about it, just start with it and see how far you can come.
My friend, it's just a thought. There is a WB that needs to be rigged first! ROTF
 
Yes i know my friend, my Admiral sends her regards bye the way. ( but after the rigging?? who knows )
Please tell Marijke for me that I said a big "Thank You" and also a very blessed Christmas to her!
 
Friends I actually found the original print in high resolution. And ... yes ... it was by Willem van de Velde the Younger! say no more!

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De Windstoot (The Gust)
By Willem van de Velde the Younger (ca. 1650-1707)

Enjoy!
There is a bit more “drama” in this painting as one would expect. At a closer look you can see that the topmast has broken off, causing a lot of rigging coming loose, and sailors have to go up to the main top to make repairs.
 
Very true, Hans. Thank you for pointing that out. I actually thought that would be good painting to use in connection with Mr. Hamel's stranding.
 
It's coming very nicely together, Peter, but I don't like the fact that there are those two items on my list which are not correct. Most people will happily accept that, but there are still inaccuracies that need to be addressed.
Are the inaccuracies serous enough to really worry about? You’ve researched and build an incredible little ship based on an enormous amount of research, so I would not consider 20/20 hindsight information learned later a cause for worry.
 
Dear Friends

I have just found a fascinating picture of what could very well have been the forerunner of the Willem Barentsz - an "original" vlieboot, plus/minus circa 1570.

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Note the "gridded" deck (roosterdek) which features so prominently on the WB - albeit in a different configuration.
 
Are the inaccuracies serous enough to really worry about? You’ve researched and build an incredible little ship based on an enormous amount of research, so I would not consider 20/20 hindsight information learned later a cause for worry.
Hi Jan. No, I am not really worried about it, but for the sake of accuracy, I still have to point out the inaccuracies - that keeps me objective. Thank you so much for the kind words, my friend.
 
Dear Friends

I have just found a fascinating picture of what could very well have been the forerunner of the Willem Barentsz - an "original" vlieboot, plus/minus circa 1570.

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Note the "gridded" deck (roosterdek) which features so prominently on the WB - albeit in a different configuration.
Great find Heinrich,
Also there is no fore stay on the mizzen.

Cheers,
Stephen.
 
You are right Stephen! After I have earlier learnt my lesson again of just how accurate Ab's plans are, I am leaning very strongly to a WB without mizzen stay.
Yes my friend, I would also tend to want to leave the mizzen fore stay off as well, considering this sort of good/trustworthy art work from the period not drawn hundreds of years after the fact.
 
Yes my friend, I would also tend to want to leave the mizzen fore stay off as well, considering this sort of good/trustworthy art work from the period not drawn hundreds of years after the fact.
I am in total agreement Stephen. I have often seen that historians (an in this case we can include modelers :)), sometimes tend to become "uncomfortable" when something that is "out of the ordinary" or not to their expectations. Often, they will rationalize the information at hand until it "agrees" with their viewpoint.
 
@Stevedownunder What I wanted to say is that I think the vlieboot will make a great model. We are often at lengths on how to display the inside of a model - of late there is a tendency to display cut-in-half models, which I don't like because it then leaves you with a fragmented model. The other option is to partially plank the hull or deck to allow a view of the interior, but once again, that is not a realistic model of a ship then. With the vlieboot, you can build it as per normal and the grid/deck will allow you full view of the lower decks (without altering anything on the model).
 
I am in total agreement Stephen. I have often seen that historians (an in this case we can include modelers :)), sometimes tend to become "uncomfortable" when something that is "out of the ordinary" or not to their expectations. Often, they will rationalize the information at hand until it "agrees" with their viewpoint.
You know what they say Heinrich, “When the facts don’t agree with one’s theory then change the facts”
 
Excellent, one Ron! ROTF Yes, my friend - we do not often have the luxury in this game of working with facts, so when we are handed one on a silver platter, it seems rather foolish not to follow that.
 
Here is another Vlieboot model from the West Friesland Museum. This one is kitted out for battle on the Zuiderzee, hence the cannons. Once more, notice: NO MIZZEN STAY.

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The more I see and read up about the Vlieboot, the more I like it!
 
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