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Hi Enrico, see MP
HIGH HOPES, WILD MEN AND THE DEVIL’S JAW - Willem Barentsz Kolderstok 1:50
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Thank you very much, Frank! That is a most informative source!
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Don't know you well enough, but I think your Admiral is way too good for you.I agree. She is taking the rigging very seriously and is a stickler for detail. She has already told me though that the next build has to be in a considerably bigger scale so that I wouldn't need her help and could do everything myself!
You should cater her to every whim...
above is the technique I showed you
Above is the example you showed, and claimed was like Franks suggestion...
Looks exactly like what I showed you!
Above is Franks suggestion, like an actual ship was done...
Instructions you showed, not like Franks suggestion or mine. Note the smaller rope wrapped around the line inside of the shroud.
In conclusion,
I am not sure which way you deem is the right way, but it's your ship. I only showed a common way of doing them, which is used by many.
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For clarification...
Rigging instructions you said you are going to follow above...
Franks suggestion above...not like the instructions either!
The rope is made into an eye and served. Then it is tied to the shroud. Very labor intensive method, easier done on a large scale model.
Rigging instructions you said you are going to follow above...
Franks suggestion above...not like the instructions either!
The rope is made into an eye and served. Then it is tied to the shroud. Very labor intensive method, easier done on a large scale model.
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Hi Dean. If I have not expressed myself well/clearly, I apologize. The correct way is obviously the way that Frank showed in his first and later two pictures. I asked Frank if the Kolderstok instructions were the same as his and he replied in the affirmative. The Zhdan version (in the actual photograph) may well be exactly like yours - in fact, now that I have looked again, I agree with you.
I will probably use the version as shown in the Kolderstok instructions or your suggestion. I will test both and see which one looks the best and is the most feasible. As I mentioned to Frank, I am going to run out of space near the mast tops if I try to follow the "correct" way.
Once again, my apologies If I have been unclear.
I will probably use the version as shown in the Kolderstok instructions or your suggestion. I will test both and see which one looks the best and is the most feasible. As I mentioned to Frank, I am going to run out of space near the mast tops if I try to follow the "correct" way.
Once again, my apologies If I have been unclear.
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Absolutely correct Dean. On Frank's second illustration it is very clear that the correct way is not like the instructions. I think my first comment was merely based on a misunderstanding of Frank's first response.
No worries, I was just trying to make clear to you the options, and the pros and cons of each.
It is usually not feasible to do it as Frank has shown, and thus the common method is what I showed (that is a compromise at scale) yet still yields a nice end result. I am sure whatever you choose will be done well by your better half!
Ps - as you know, I don’t think there is a right or wrong way…just the builders way!
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I couldn't agree more Johan. She deserves far better!
Makes me think of a true story in my life when I was a first grader. My father was a manager at the then Trust Bank in South Africa (@GrantTyler ; @Nomad Grant and Mark may recall the good ole days of Jan Marais and Trust Bank) and he got given a Mercedes-Benz as a fringe benefit. Our next-door neighbor's son (same age as me) always used to catch a lift with me and my father to school in the mornings (on my father's way to work) and then his mother would pick us up from school in the afternoon. During the first week after my father was driving the MB, my next-door friend remarked to me that the only way we could be driving a Mercedes-Benz was by being given one.
Now you know what they say about youngsters - from the mouth of a child, you will often hear the truth (uit de mond van de suigeling ...). Obviously, this was something that came from his parents. When I mentioned this to my father (a dry-witted man who sometimes produced some gems), he smiled and responded as follows:
"That is true my son. I cannot afford a Mercedes-Benz, but at least my work thinks I am good enough to give me one."
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I agree fully, Dean. Thank you for pointing out my misinterpretation.No worries, I was just trying to make clear to you the options, and the pros and cons of each.
It is usually not feasible to do it as Frank has shown, and thus the common method is what I showed (that is a compromise at scale) yet still yields a nice end result. I am sure whatever you choose will be done well by your better half!
Ps - as you know, I don’t think there is a right or wrong way…just the builders way!
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Good evening, the images I post are only to clarify how the details are in real life, each model maker does what he likes best. Precise, before I made some observations and they weren't good now I also avoid some images. Good evening FrankNo worries, I was just trying to make clear to you the options, and the pros and cons of each.
It is usually not feasible to do it as Frank has shown, and thus the common method is what I showed (that is a compromise at scale) yet still yields a nice end result. I am sure whatever you choose will be done well by your better half!
Ps - as you know, I don’t think there is a right or wrong way…just the builders way!
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Frank, I am very glad that you posted the pictures and appreciate it. That gives me a goal to strive for, and more importantly, shows the historically correct and accurate way of doing things. For about half of the ratlines, I would be able to do it like that, but then I am going to run out of space the higher I go.
Please keep on posting EXACTLY in the same way that you have done before.
Frank, sono molto contento che tu abbia pubblicato le foto e le apprezzi. Questo mi dà un obiettivo per cui lottare e, cosa più importante, mostra il modo storicamente corretto e accurato di fare le cose. Per circa la metà delle ratline, sarei in grado di farlo in questo modo, ma poi finirò lo spazio più in alto vado.
Per favore continua a pubblicare ESATTAMENTE nello stesso modo in cui hai fatto prima.
I agree, the information provided by Frank is good and accurate. Grazie Frank!Frank, I am very glad that you posted the pictures and appreciate it. That gives me a goal to strive for, and more importantly, shows the historically correct and accurate way of doing things. For about half of the ratlines, I would be able to do it like that, but then I am going to run out of space the higher I go.
Please keep on posting EXACTLY in the same way that you have done before.
Frank, sono molto contento che tu abbia pubblicato le foto e le apprezzi. Questo mi dà un obiettivo per cui lottare e, cosa più importante, mostra il modo storicamente corretto e accurato di fare le cose. Per circa la metà delle ratline, sarei in grado di farlo in questo modo, ma poi finirò lo spazio più in alto vado.
Per favore continua a pubblicare ESATTAMENTE nello stesso modo in cui hai fatto prima.
It is always good to know how things were actually done, and if feasible to duplicate that as best as possible. But on a model, at scale some of the tiny ropes and blocks (and how they were served) can be a real challenge. Who actually serves a rope back onto itself to make an eye? I have seen it, but very few do it. So often a representation of what was done is sufficient.
But as always, it is the builder who decides which path to take, based on feasibility and personal skill set.
What I will never agree with, is imposed goals and standards set by one builder upon another builder. Because we all have different goals and skills. So it is never bad to show how things were done historically for educational purposes. But that should never be forced upon a builder, as what they have to do on their model.
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A curiosity question. I can see that there would be splices in smaller and larger ropes (blue circle) but how is the smaller rope free end tied off.
Jan
Jan
An excellent question, I run into this way too often!
Jan and Dan, @Daniel20 & @Pathfinder65
I think the clue is what Frank showed... illustration 7 -10.
Now imagine serving the eye at each end, and then tying the eye to the shroud with a smaller rope and tying it as shown above! Then do that a thousand or more times on a war ship! That would be commendable!
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Thanks Dean, I was curious. The serving and the square knot tying at each eye must have been very tedious work.
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Interesting model. What confounds me, however is the Bowsprit. Was it common in that time period to have the bowsprit unmasted?
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The Admiral scrutinizing the job at hand.
My helper is not quite ready for rigging the ship yet!
And do it at scale!!View attachment 354974
Jan and Dan, @Daniel20 & @Pathfinder65
I think the clue is what Frank showed... illustration 7 -10.
Now imagine serving the eye at each end, and then tying the eye to the shroud with a smaller rope and tying it as shown above! Then do that a thousand or more times on a war ship! That would be commendable!