HIGH HOPES, WILD MEN AND THE DEVIL’S JAW - Willem Barentsz Kolderstok 1:50

Heinrich said:
Back to the build.

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Tonight, the WB has been moved from her mooring dock to measure out the hawse holes. Unfortunately, I do not have a 3mm drill bit, but if all goes well courtesy of Taobao, I should be in business tomorrow night.

Hopefully with the Admiral here this weekend, we can get some work done on the mizzen sail and assembly. Baby steps, I know, but steps, nonetheless.

Lastly. with 250 000 views, a BIG THANK YOU is in order to all my friends who have followed this mammoth build log so diligently and who have supported me so loyally. The resurrection/completion of this build is thanks to all of you and in your honor!
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Heinrich, my friend, you're finally back to assembling. I already miss this model
 
Good work with the drilling of the hawse hole - maybe slightly too small for the used cable - I think the hole should be 1 1/2 of the diameter of cable

I am not a specialist for these ships of the period .... so therefore maybe a stupid question for the specialists

I thought, that the hawse holes should be higher located - now the cable has to go over the gundeck up to the poop, where the windlass is and from the down (red line) - there are some more edges where the cable has to be guided....
Would it not be better to have the hawse holes at the level of the same deck, where the windlass is? green line

Just curious - I am happy to learn

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Uwek said:
Good work with the drilling of the hawse hole - maybe slightly too small for the used cable - I think the hole should be 1 1/2 of the diameter of cable

I am not a specialist for these ships of the period .... so therefore maybe a stupid question for the specialists

I thought, that the hawse holes should be higher located - now the cable has to go over the gundeck up to the poop, where the windlass is and from the down (red line) - there are some more edges where the cable has to be guided....
Would it not be better to have the hawse holes at the level of the same deck, where the windlass is? green line

Just curious - I am happy to learn

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This is a very good observation, Uwe.

I have however, followed the @Kolderstok layout and also that of Ab Hoving.

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You can see that Ab has placed them just below the third wale (counting from the bottom upwards) and in front of the foremost gunport.

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That equates to the same position on the model that I have marked with the yellow circle. (Also Ab's model - during the early build stages). You can see how far below the deck level that actually is.

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The third example is where @pietsan Piet Sanders placed them (according to the Kolderstok plans) - exactly where I have placed mine.

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You will also notice that even on the replica ship according to the plans you have shown, the hawse holes are placed just below the third wale - well below deck level.
 
Heinrich said:
Dear Friends.

There is not much untoward to report. The drilling of the hawse holes went without incident.

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Starboard Side

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Port Side.

This weekend, I will proceed with the rigging of the mizzen.
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Nice job Heinrich. I have the hawses to do next so your excellent work has given me the kick I need to also put holes in my hull :).
 
RogerD said:
Nice job Heinrich. I have the hawses to do next so your excellent work has given me the kick I need to also put holes in my hull :).
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Hi Roger! Don't fret about this. I used a 0.8mm drill bit for the pilot hole, then progressed to a 2mm bit and then used a 3mm cone-shaped stone (a la @Dematosdg Daniel) to enlarge the hole to 3mm. The main challenge (to me, at least) was marking out the exact location of the hawse holes to ensure that they are symmetrical.
 
Heinrich said:
Hi Roger! Don't fret about this. I used a 0.8mm drill bit for the pilot hole, then progressed to a 2mm bit and then used a 3mm cone-shaped stone (a la @Dematosdg Daniel) to enlarge the hole to 3mm. The main challenge (to me, at least) was marking out the exact location of the hawse holes to ensure that they are symmetrical.
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Good advice as usual so thanks for that Heinrich. I’ll be putting doublers on the inboard and outboard holes so they will help cover any raggedy edges in the basswood.

Looks like it will be a project for later next week though. Hurricane Lee is paying us a visit this weekend in Nova Scotia.
 
RogerD said:
Good advice as usual so thanks for that Heinrich. I’ll be putting doublers on the inboard and outboard holes so they will help cover any raggedy edges in the basswood.

Looks like it will be a project for later next week though. Hurricane Lee is paying us a visit this weekend in Nova Scotia.
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@Pathfinder65 Jan has also mentioned Hurricane Lee (Maine-area) so you guys need to take care.
 
Heinrich said:
This is a very good observation, Uwe.

I have however, followed the @Kolderstok layout and also that of Ab Hoving.

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You can see that Ab has placed them just below the third wale (counting from the bottom upwards) and in front of the foremost gunport.

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That equates to the same position on the model that I have marked with the yellow circle. (Also Ab's model - during the early build stages). You can see how far below the deck level that actually is.

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The third example is where @pietsan Piet Sanders placed them (according to the Kolderstok plans) - exactly where I have placed mine.

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You will also notice that even on the replica ship according to the plans you have shown, the hawse holes are placed just below the third wale - well below deck level.
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Maybe @Ab Hoving can explain this more in detail - purely from the technical point, because I do not understand why they would force the anchor cable around several edges before reaching the windlass - with more friction in the cable you have to pull harder and also the cable is earlier damaged. I am only curious
BTW: The replic - I guess the anchor is lifted by an electrical winch / capstan which is under deck.....
Sorry for the off topic post...... based on the given information you make the location of the hawse holes correct
 
Dear Uwe. I so enjoy your posts and technical discussions - I can assure you that it is not off the topic and there is no need to apologize. Everything you say makes perfect sense and is also logical to me.

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On the replica ship, the windlass is situated underneath the front canopy with the mooring bitt in front of it.

@Kolderstok Hans gave me the following explanation:

On bigger ships the anchor rope was pulled inside with the use of a "kabelaring", an endless smaller rope in a loop, which was lead around the winch. This loop-rope was during the process of getting the anchor up tied and untied to the anchor rope itself.

On smaller ships the anchor rope would go directly around the winch. This anchor rope - after the excess of water had dripped of - was lead onto the lower decks of the ship via a hole in the gratings. So the Ab Hoving solution with the holes in the gratings is correct. You could also leave the rope on the upper deck, but this could be a leg-breaker, so not always the best solution.

The ankerbeting (mooring bitt) was used to fix the anchor rope secure to the ship when she had anchored. The beting (mooring bitt) was definitely needed, but it was often combined (on smaller ships) with the winch. So, this piece must be on the ship.

So, both De Weerdt and Hans agree about the use of the mooring bitt - Ab however, showed no mooring bitt on his plans. He was adamant that a mooring bitt was only used in connection with a capstan.

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Note the hatch with openings for the anchor cable. The windlass (not visible here) was placed right at the front of the ship (basically where mine is.

Unfortunately, I cannot tell you definitively why the anchor cable followed the route that it did, though!
 
I think the replica doesn't have hawser holes.
The picture Heinrich shows let see the rope rolled up on the galjoen and in below picture there are no holes visible.
I think the rope went over the rail, and why not it is a very small vessel
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Edit: and the rope of the anchor, you can see is not a thick rope or cable. It can be handle very easy. No need to lead it through holes to store it below deck. That is another thing on anchor cables of a twodecker or the victory for example, these cables are very thick, sometimes thicker then your leg. Hard to handle.
 
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Steef66 said:
I think the replica doesn't have hawser holes.
The picture Heinrich shows let see the rope rolled up on the galjoen and in below picture there are no holes visible.
I think the rope went over the rail, and why not it is a very small vessel
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Edit: and the rope of the anchor, you can see is not a thick rope or cable. It can be handle very easy. No need to lead it through holes to store it below deck. That is another thing on anchor cables of a twodecker or the victory for example, these cables are very thick, sometimes thicker then your leg. Hard to handle.
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Hi Stephan. This certainly looks like the anchor cable is coming from hawse holes. See below (marked with yellow arrow):

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Also visible here.

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I see only the rope going under the galeon. I don't see holes. Even in other pictures of the replica at another angle of the bow you can't see holes.
And these ropes I marketing look like the anchor cable
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I can't see hawser holes, and if they are there they would be behind the galeon. And end on the deck and not below.
There is a lot to say on hawser holes, but I don't think they where necessary on every ship. More things you see on other ships don't have to be installed on the other. What I can see and what my guts say is, there where no holes needed for these small anchors and anchor ropes.
Maybe somebody visit the ship and have a picture of the holes, or proof there are no holes. On pictures I seen of the replica there are no holes. How is it with the drawings/etch of these ships? Are there holes visible?
 
Steef66 said:
I see only the rope going under the galeon. I don't see holes. Even in other pictures of the replica at another angle of the bow you can't see holes.
And these ropes I marketing look like the anchor cable
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I can't see hawser holes, and if they are there they would be behind the galeon. And end on the deck and not below.
There is a lot to say on hawser holes, but I don't think they where necessary on every ship. More things you see on other ships don't have to be installed on the other. What I can see and what my guts say is, there where no holes needed for these small anchors and anchor ropes.
Maybe somebody visit the ship and have a picture of the holes, or proof there are no holes. On pictures I seen of the replica there are no holes. How is it with the drawings/etch of these ships? Are there holes visible?
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OK, Here you go!

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Ab's Drawings/Plans = Hawse Holes

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Gerald De Weerdt's drawing = To be safe - I'll call it "open to debate".

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@pietsan Piet Sanders's build following the @Kolderstok plans = Hawse Holes

And then:

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Zhdan's build of De Mercurius = Hawse Holes.

So, whether or not De Weerdt used Hawse Holes, quite frankly makes no difference to me. I have enough examples of reputable sources to warrant their inclusion on my ship.
 
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