Has anyone had any contact lately with Rich? He no longer responds to any posts on the forum and it has also been some time since he has posted updates on the Kyrenia. I have sent him a PM, but so far, no reply...
Hi Kurt and Dean - seeing that both your posts mention the same thing, I hope you don't mind if I respond once.
In both instances - with regards to the canopy walls and the hull planking, I would agree with you IF the model was based on the replica, which it is NOT. 6mm wide planks equate to 30 cm in real life - exactly to scale on 16th and 17th Century Dutch ships of the era. It is thus the REPLICA which uses planks that are too narrow !!!. 30 cm wide planks that could be used for hull planking is extremely rare nowadays and were ruled out by the builders of the replica because of costing implications.
Nicolaas Witsen does give a lot of information about sizes and dimensions of planks, and the 30 cm (or one foot) was a very common width of a plank, at that time available. Nowadays - if you do find a tree in that size you are often not allowed to touch it (or even come near to it) as it is most probably very old.
Now if you will permit me some leeway from the Willem Barentsz's build, I want to hijack my own thread
I have received such wonderful support from my friends during the last couple of months, that I want to return the favour. Some time ago my friend, @shota70 mentioned that he is selling some kits to provide for tools that he wants to buy. Those of you who have been following his build logs on the scratch-built Hannah and now the Alert, will have noticed the tremendous strides that he has made in his model building - even going as far as enlisting in a carving course.
One of the kits that he wants to sell is a special one and one that I promised to help him to sell- the Bob Hunt Lauck Street Patrick Henry. The Patrick Henry is a fictitious Armed Virginia Sloop or AVS as it is more commonly known. To the old hands on SOS (we are giving away our age here) Lauck Street models are some of the very best that money can buy. Throw in Bob Hunt's practicums and you have a whole shipbuilding course at hand. Bob no longer produces models, so there are only so many that are available and if they are gone, they are gone.
Here is the link to his advert. He has included picture of the model built by Mike Shanks but I want to include some of @DocBlake Dave's build:
Lauck Street Shipyard, owned by Bob Hunt, produced about 40 kits of an Armed Virginia Sloop plank-on-frame model. Bearing the fictional name Patrick Henry, this unique and amazing 1:32 scale model is quite rare in the community. This kit comes with quality materials and excellent packaging. the...
As you can see from these pics, the kit builds into a superb model as Doc amply demonstrated here. Now will someone please buy this kit so that I can sleep again at night?
Greetings. I am going to briefly try to explain where I think there is a problem and then I will be quiet. First ignore my sketch, it is misleading and wrong. What I am concerned about I this:
On the bow plan you see (in spite of the fold) the angle of the front of the canopy is different than the angle of the back which means the "picket fence" piece must be curved in one dimension and twisted in the other. The sides appear curve but that is probably just the fold.. You can also see this twist by comparing the two circled parts of the plan. Also note the curve of the upper edge of the canopy. In conclusion I think pieces such as I sketched but with straight sides would be an easier way to create the canopy shape.
Greetings. I am going to briefly try to explain where I think there is a problem and then I will be quiet. First ignore my sketch, it is misleading and wrong. What I am concerned about I this: View attachment 298919
On the bow plan you see (in spite of the fold) the angle of the front of the canopy is different than the angle of the back which means the "picket fence" piece must be curved in one dimension and twisted in the other. The sides appear curve but that is probably just the fold.. You can also see this twist by comparing the two circled parts of the plan. Also note the curve of the upper edge of the canopy. In conclusion I think pieces such as I sketched but with straight sides would be an easier way to create the canopy shape.
Hi Ed - no need to keep quiet about anything. All comments and input are appreciated greatly and all add to the dialogue and discussion. I see clearly what your point is, but bear in mind that it also depends on whose interpretation of the plans the model is based on - that of Ab Hoving or Gerald de Weerdt. And irrespective of that - there are also the practical considerations that a kit manufacturer has to consider (the width of the planks a case in point). I agree 100% that straight sides would be way to go. The interesting thing about this ship is that the way the hull is built, has a huge impact on everything and that starts from the moment you begin to do the hull fairing.
If you fair the upper sides of the bulkheads more, the bulwarks will automatically lean inwards. If one bulkhead is faired more than another, that could also result in an altered angle. Therefore the kit manufacturer has no option but to include straight sides for that piece and leave it to bulwarks to sort out the angles. I am confident that I can sand those angles into the upper part of the canopy. I have 3mm thickness to work with so a lot can be achieved with that.
Nicolaas Witsen does give a lot of information about sizes and dimensions of planks, and the 30 cm (or one foot) was a very common width of a plank, at that time available. Nowadays - if you do find a tree in that size you are often not allowed to touch it (or even come near to it) as it is most probably very old.
Now if you will permit me some leeway from the Willem Barentsz's build, I want to hijack my own thread
I have received such wonderful support from my friends during the last couple of months, that I want to return the favour. Some time ago my friend, @shota70 mentioned that he is selling some kits to provide for tools that he wants to buy. Those of you who have been following his build logs on the scratch-built Hannah and now the Alert, will have noticed the tremendous strides that he has made in his model building - even going as far as enlisting in a carving course.
One of the kits that he wants to sell is a special one and one that I promised to help him to sell- the Bob Hunt Lauck Street Patrick Henry. The Patrick Henry is a fictitious Armed Virginia Sloop or AVS as it is more commonly known. To the old hands on SOS (we are giving away our age here) Lauck Street models are some of the very best that money can buy. Throw in Bob Hunt's practicums and you have a whole shipbuilding course at hand. Bob no longer produces models, so there are only so many that are available and if they are gone, they are gone.
Here is the link to his advert. He has included picture of the model built by Mike Shanks but I want to include some of @DocBlake Dave's build:
Lauck Street Shipyard, owned by Bob Hunt, produced about 40 kits of an Armed Virginia Sloop plank-on-frame model. Bearing the fictional name Patrick Henry, this unique and amazing 1:32 scale model is quite rare in the community. This kit comes with quality materials and excellent packaging. the...
As you can see from these pics, the kit builds into a superb model as Doc amply demonstrated here. Now will someone please buy this kit so that I can sleep again at night
Good morning Heinrich that is a beautiful model- I’m not going to make you sleep sadly. You perked my interest For sure, however where my modeling skills are I would not do such a rare and limited(and difficult build) justice. A true beauty tho. Cheers Grant
Good morning Heinrich that is a beautiful model- I’m not going to make you sleep sadly. You perked my interest For sure, however where my modeling skills are I would not do such a rare and limited(and difficult build) justice. A true beauty tho. Cheers Grant
Hi Grant. The Patrick Henry is not everyone's cup of tea by virtue of it being an Admiralty model with no proper planking, rigging or sails. I am actually not sure how difficult it is to build - it was listed as "Advanced". No problem my friend - I am just trying to help Shota.
I won't call it a win yet, but at least the score is no longer Canopy 10 - Heinrich 0!
There is still a lot of sanding to be done and once the front and rear walls are finished, I can do the final shaping. But at least it's now starting to look like what I had expected it to look like.
There is still a lot of sanding to be done and once the front and rear walls are finished, I can do the final shaping. But at least it's now starting to look like what I had expected it to look like.
There is still a lot of sanding to be done and once the front and rear walls are finished, I can do the final shaping. But at least it's now starting to look like what I had expected it to look like.
There is still a lot of sanding to be done and once the front and rear walls are finished, I can do the final shaping. But at least it's now starting to look like what I had expected it to look like.
Hello Heinrich- I concur with everyone- beautiful. They do get an attitude at times, we just need to bring out the kind reinforcement discipline...or not..Cheers
. 30 cm wide planks that could be used for hull planking is extremely rare nowadays and were ruled out by the builders of the replica because of costing implications.
