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HMS Diana by Caldercraft
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Do you have any idea how to tie the second (reserve) anchors? I can't find any clear info on this anywhere...not even in James Lees book.
Great question Marc. The only thing I can find is in Darcy Lever's The Young Sea Officer's Sheet 
s, page 69 and photos of contemporary models.
When thes are brought along side, the two Bowers are catted and fished: and the Stoppers and Shank Painters passed. The other s are got on board by the Runners and Tackles, Yard and Stay Tackles.
The photos of a model in the collection at The US Naval Academy's Preble Hall may be a little help.
Allan
PS How do you maintain the text instead of the pictures that automatically come up when posting?
s, page 69 and photos of contemporary models.When the
s are brought along side, the two Bowers are catted and fished: and the Stoppers and Shank Painters passed. The other s are got on board by the Runners and Tackles, Yard and Stay Tackles.The photos of a model in the collection at The US Naval Academy's Preble Hall may be a little help.
Allan
PS How do you maintain the text instead of the pictures that automatically come up when posting?
Perhaps put "anchors" between braces?Great question Marc. The only thing I can find is in Darcy Lever's The Young Sea Officer's Sheet
When the
The photos of a model in the collection at The US Naval Academy's Preble Hall may be a little help.
Allan
PS How do you maintain the text instead of the pictures that automatically come up when posting?
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Let's try it.
The Diana drawing...
I still don't know...
I still don't know...
Very happy to be a little help to you Marc.
Gentlemen,
The HMS Diana is 95% finished!
Attached are some pictures.
I still have to add details and give it a (little) lick of paint here and there.
I will also add bobbins of robe.
The last are the Ship Boats.. I don't know yet if I will place them on the deck... I have put so much time and effort into the details of the Gun Deck that I think it is a shame to hide this...
I'm not saying goodbye yet but I would like to thank everyone for their kind advice. And I owe special thanks to Allan. He encouraged me to consult the literature so that the ship is more historically correct.
And another conclusion: I am quite satisfied with the level of finish but I still have a lot to learn...
And now?
I've been looking forward to a next project here and there: it has to be big (by that I mean a Hull length of at least 90 cm..)...and excellent quality. To be continued.
Greetings
The flying Flemish.
Marc
The HMS Diana is 95% finished!
Attached are some pictures.
I still have to add details and give it a (little) lick of paint here and there.
I will also add bobbins of robe.
The last are the Ship Boats.. I don't know yet if I will place them on the deck... I have put so much time and effort into the details of the Gun Deck that I think it is a shame to hide this...
I'm not saying goodbye yet but I would like to thank everyone for their kind advice. And I owe special thanks to Allan. He encouraged me to consult the literature so that the ship is more historically correct.
And another conclusion: I am quite satisfied with the level of finish but I still have a lot to learn...
And now?
I've been looking forward to a next project here and there: it has to be big (by that I mean a Hull length of at least 90 cm..)...and excellent quality. To be continued.
Greetings
The flying Flemish.
Marc
Bravo Marc she looks beautiful a feast for the eyes. You should feel very proud.
A very satisfying (near) outcome! Display her with pride!
Good morning Marc. Nearly done and looking mighty fine. You owned this Diana. Cheers Grant
Gentlemen,
Thank you for the encouraging words.
Marc
Thank you for the encouraging words.
Marc
WELL DONE Marc!! If you decide to build a boat, maybe just add one so as to not block out the view in the waist. She would have carried at least four boats, maybe more, but it would include a 23/24' launch, 30' pinnace and two cutters based on Admiralty papers 106/2508 as listed in W.E. May's book The Boats of Men of War. Alternatively you could mount it on the base of your model alongside the ship itself. There is a high res drawing of a 30 foot pinnace on the Wiki Commons site or I can send it to you. Too big a file to add here. There is a drawing of a 23 foot launch at RMG but it is no longer on the Collections site so needs to be purchased. I redrew it years ago and you are welcome to it. The below shows two masts which is based on the Bounty launch, but that was not the norm as they usually only carried one mast.
Allan
Allan
Dear Allan,
Now I can do nothing else than to go into your proposal to make the Ship boats . Below the building instructions in the kit (as you can see very rudimentary).
So can I once again call upon your extensive help?
Below are the building instructions.
As you can see, much too rudimentary.
By the anatomy of the Diana: So I will first study the whole and start with the 18-foot cutter.
Seems that each boat is an project on itself...
Now I can do nothing else than to go into your proposal to make the Ship boats
. Below the building instructions in the kit (as you can see very rudimentary).So can I once again call upon your extensive help?
Below are the building instructions.
As you can see, much too rudimentary.
By the anatomy of the Diana: So I will first study the whole and start with the 18-foot cutter.
Seems that each boat is an project on itself...
I forgot to tell something...
I think I decided on the next challenge... depends on the availability..
I think I decided on the next challenge... depends on the availability..
If you go with the pinnace and/or cutter keep in mind the drawings above do not show the starboard tholes which alternate with those on the port side so there is only one per thwart as they were normally single banked. The launch would be double banked with a thole port and starboard for each thwart. There are scantlings for all types and sizes of boats in May's book as well as David Steel's Elements and Practice of Naval Architecture and in Scantlings of Royal Navy Ships.
If you have not already seen it, you may find the following topic here at SoS useful. https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/building-a-ships-boat.14490/
Allan
To get some feeling for how the kit ship boats are put together I started assembling the 18ft Cutter.
There is a very big difference between the kit and the original Cutter. After all, originally (see drawing) the floor was all the way down just above the keel. In the kit the floor is 1 cm above the keel. That is already a first thing I will change with the next ship boats.
On the other hand, it is suggested to remove the exposed Bulheads after the second planking. This seems to me very difficult to do this neatly and without problems. That is why I immediately sawed off a part of the exposed bulkheads after gluing the Bulkheads to the Keel. And this turned out to be a very good decision.
The first planking is completed: now some sanding and then the 2nd planking. I did prime everything first: this will allow me to have a better view of how the planks touch each other at the 2nd layer.
Allan: question
Do you have any info on how the Cutter was originally painted?The manual says inside red and the hull white.
There is a very big difference between the kit and the original Cutter. After all, originally (see drawing) the floor was all the way down just above the keel. In the kit the floor is 1 cm above the keel. That is already a first thing I will change with the next ship boats.
On the other hand, it is suggested to remove the exposed Bulheads after the second planking. This seems to me very difficult to do this neatly and without problems. That is why I immediately sawed off a part of the exposed bulkheads after gluing the Bulkheads to the Keel. And this turned out to be a very good decision.
The first planking is completed: now some sanding and then the 2nd planking. I did prime everything first: this will allow me to have a better view of how the planks touch each other at the 2nd layer.
Allan: question
Do you have any info on how the Cutter was originally painted?The manual says inside red and the hull white.
I have no idea.
The best thing would be to look at contemporary models but it is possible they were someone's fantasy originally or during a renovation. The boat contracts I have found only mention paying them but does not say if it was with other than with the so called white stuff. There is no mention of red paint in the contracts or contemporary models I have been able to find. Istead of paint I found it easier to frame with holly or Castello and plank with holly giving a whiteish color. I have used Swiss pear or Castello for the gunwales, footwales, and other internal parts, but that's just me. If you wish I can send you all the scantlings, just need to know what size cutter you are building. This may be too late as most of the frames are missing and there is a floor instead of footwaling strakes on the kit boat. Sorry to say, carvel planking was not used on cutters, but rather would be lapstrake. Sorry I have no better information on the painting.Allan
18th century
Late 19th century
