HMS ENTERPRISE 1774 by RichardJJS 1:48 scale. New Kit from M.D

[richardjjs]

Thanks Jeff,
Unfortunately, per the contract and drawings what they expect is wrong. There were four hawse pieces plus the bollard and filler piece on each side, not five hawse pieces, This will create problems getting the hawse holes in the right place between the appropriate hawse pieces with the correct distance center to center.
Allan

The model has 7 Hawse Pieces
The Exterior is as per DRawing and fit very nicely but the Inner is difficult

 

[richardjjs]

I should be able to get the correct spacing between the hawse holes since I'm putting a 3/4" tall piece between each of the hawse pieces right along where the holes will need to be drilled.
I think they are using 2 pieces for the filler piece so they don't need to provide another thickness of timber in their kit. But, that is just a guess on my part.

I did notice that nowhere in the instructions to they mention the hawse holes.
But that's not too hard to fix.

Interesting
I actually glued N0 1 Hawse piece onto te Bow Piece
Let it set then glued Y8a into place on the model
THen spaced out the hawse pieces and fitted THen Filllers
Fitting the Inner Planking to secure it all
Have you got pictres of the Holes Please ~

 

[Corsair]

Interesting
I actually glued N0 1 Hawse piece onto te Bow Piece
Let it set then glued Y8a into place on the model
THen spaced out the hawse pieces and fitted THen Filllers
Fitting the Inner Planking to secure it all
Have you got pictres of the Holes Please ~

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I've not put in the holes yet (as I've not got the hawse timbers fully assembled). The positioning is not too hard to get since they are shown on the side view. Plus the note from Allan provided information that there is almost 12 inches between the holes. However, I don't have information to show how far out from the stem is the first hole.

 

[Corsair]

I've got one of the hawse timber assemblies built (along next to my aft cant frame pieces.

 

[richardjjs]

I've got one of the hawse timber assemblies built (along next to my aft cant frame pieces.
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yes i see the inner on yours is no better than mine

Feel a bit better now

Its just not tidy but will look later

I found that i needed a bit of play in the gap between Y8a and the bow
Looking at filling later

But my Inner Planking is terrible (THATS ME!!)

THANKS

 

[AllanKP69]

I don't have information to show how far out from the stem is the first hole.

I messed with low res drawings of Enterprise and came up with the inboard most hole inboard edge as 40 inches from the stem, but this could very well be off a bit working with low res plans.
Allan

 

[richardjjs]

surely their is a a piece that will go on the hawse where the holes will be
Maybe wait til then till We drill them #

 

[AllanKP69]

surely their is a a piece that will go on the hawse where the holes will be

I would agree, but there seems to be choices. Coventry (28) 1754 shows two layers but no bolster
Enterprise shows no layers nor a bolster on any drawings or the painting.
Hind (28) 1785 shows no layers but it does show a bolster.

Coventry 1754


Enterprise 1774




Hind 1785

 

[Corsair]

surely their is a a piece that will go on the hawse where the holes will be
Maybe wait til then till We drill them #

I took a pretty slow pass through the instructions and didn't see anything. I'm going to look at the videos for the smaller kit and see if there are hints there.
Thanks a ton for your research Allan ! If I don't find anything else, I may very look seriously at the distance you provided.

 

[Corsair]

Sigh... The videos don't go far enough. They end at making the orlop decks.

 

[richardjjs]

hi trying to find out exactly what frame the Fore Platform begins at and Ends at
I make it between of X2 and Back of 6
Also cant see any Holes for the Masts looks like the foremast is in front of the Foreplatform and the Foremost Wall

Also Beam 13 is the Mid Beam what Frame is this on

Not sure ive read everything but none of these frame numbers seem to be shown anywhere

I also note that JRS has fitted the Inner and Outer TOP PLanking which must make trimming the top of the Hull easier

Incidentally Ive marks the Bottom of the Jig on my drawings and the Top of the JIg - it makes measuring anything above the Jig Much Easier

Posted in mine as well

 

[richardjjs]

I would agree, but there seems to be choices. Coventry (28) 1754 shows two layers but no bolster
Enterprise shows no layers nor a bolster on any drawings or the painting.
Hind (28) 1785 shows no layers but it does show a bolster.

Coventry 1754
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Enterprise 1774
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Hind 1785
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If you look at the Hawse Holes the Bolster (Didny know it was called that) is cutting into the TimbeR that runs to the Bow
That CANT be right
Surely every Ship must have some sort of Bolster that can be replaced as the Topes would wear it
I must admit mu=y build is not going as well a si would like
I was warned that its a difficult build
JUst a shame they didnt do a Video like the 1:96 But of course that was NEVER Finished

 

[AllanKP69]

the TimbeR that runs to the Bow
That CANT be right

I am guessing you are speaking about the eking rail. If that is the one, both the contemporary painting and drawings above of Enterprise (28) 1774 and Hind 1785 show the hawse holes cutting into the eking rail. If it was only one ship, I would have doubts as well, but that is not the case.

The below is Hussar (28) 1763 with the same situation.


Below is Active (28) 1758 and others in the same class

 

[richardjjs]

I am guessing you are speaking about the eking rail. If that is the one, both the contemporary painting and drawings above of Enterprise (28) 1774 and Hind 1785 show the hawse holes cutting into the eking rail. If it was only one ship, I would have doubts as well, but that is not the case.

The below is Hussar (28) 1763 with the same situation.
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Below is Active (28) 1758 and others in the same class
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really interesting
I built a Victory from Panart nearly 50 years ago
And did huge amounts of research and learnt man terms but not that One
The only book them was Longridge
But i was shown over the whole ship by a Midshipman and met the Port ADmiral in Nelson's Cabin

Just one of those special times in my life that we all have

 

[AllanKP69]

Just one of those special times in my life that we all have

Cherish every one of those moments.

And did huge amounts of research and learnt many terms but not that One

There are a lot of dictionaries of nautical terms, but they do not always get specific about where the things are located. I found one of the best sources for the names of parts of a ship of sail is David Antscherl's The Fully Framed Model series. One example is below. The techniques he teaches are fabulous, but the additional information like this makes the book series one of my all-time favorites.

Page 207 Volume 2 of The Fully Framed Model

 

[TRS7139]

This, something I ‘ve been head scratching as well.
As Allan’s drawings indicate, once you get to dry fitting cat heads, bow structures and see where deck locates from inside, you can pretty much triangulate where holes will be and be pretty close.
As I recall from other data, hole centers will generally be located directly between a couple hawse pieces gaps so as not to compromise bow structures.

 

[TRS7139]

On another note, finished one side of upper well. Seems to have come out OK but it’s a tricky little piece.
Can’r wait to build opposite side with door frame.

 

[richardjjs]

The instructions on this AMAZING kit are so frustrating
Working on the AFT PLATFORM 53 - 57
Allthe parts are numbered on the Instructions (56 ) But no where can i find the numbers on the plans
Have they been updated
And Why oh Why are the frame numbers on the instructions to show where they GO
Having to count the Frames of the Plan

A little more detail would really help
And NO its not me

 

[TRS7139]

Unfortunately, Richard, yes, it's you, they're not on the plan, they don't exist.
You take the sheets supplied, you get the strip stock and square stock and scratch build them using the sheets as template. The PDF letters only correspond to what bulkhead on the sheet locates where. Take a hard look at the individual sheets and it becomes fairly intuitive as to how constructed using what material.This is why you have plenty of strip/squar stock on sheets.Take particular care locating platforms for and aft. Plans show you where as to EXACT beam they locate, as well as compartments. Fail on this and all will interfere with hanging knees when installing beams. Here, the instructions are fine ......I had zero interference with knees
Sheets, be forewarned, are not exact especially as to height and the bulkheads that span the hull. You need to take measurements and build accordingly.
Lower doors, also, scratch built from strip, as is upper/lower well.