HMS Enterprise 1774 POF 1:48.

GrantTyler said:
What is clear is that this CAF kit presents an admiralty version devoid of structural accuracy. While this outcome (hopefully) should look cool I am rethinking my overall plan for detailing this model. Why detail what is not correct so the frames etc are as they come.
The foreward cant frames and first few “square”frames.
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Good Day, Tyler. In these kinda model accuracy is circumscribed to the upper structures, let's say from channel-wale and above (gun deck, forecastle, quarterdeck, etc.) then I quote your idea.
 
Frank48 said:
all Axial Carpentry components should be garnished with tar cloths
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I realize this is a translation issue, but are you writing about the material between scarfed pieces such as pieces of the keel? If yes, I wonder how folks here do this. I have used black tissue paper, ink, and paint with good results, but my favorite is to add a dot or two of brown acrylic paint to a small puddle of PVA glue to darken it. It does not take much paint at all and it does not weaken the strength of the glue.

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Everything I have read indicates this "sealing: material is dark from the pine tar used to mix it together. but the following has me confused. From the contract for Aurora (28) 1776:

The Keel to be Elm, not more than 4 pieces 13½ ins square in Mids, sided afore 12 ins, & at the aft part of the rabbet of the post 10 ins. The Scarphs 3 ft 8 ins long, tabled one into the other, laid with white Flannel oakum bolted with Six Bolts 1 in diameter. The lips of the said scarphs not to be left more than 3⅞ in thick.
From the contract for a 74 of 1781
<Keel> ..........to be 1 feet 6 inches square in the midships, sided afore 1 feet 2 inches, and at the Aft Part of the Rabbet of the Post 12½ inches. The Scarphs 4 feet 6 inches long, tabled one into the other, laid with white Flannel or Kersey, and bolted with eight Bolts 1¼ inches in diameter. The Lips of the said Scarphs not to be left more n thickness than 5¼ inches.

I am assuming the pine tar used to make up the mixture would turn everything a dark color.
 
GrantTyler said:
Good afternoon Gentlemen

The cant frames at the bow of the ship :
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What is clear is that this CAF kit presents an admiralty version devoid of structural accuracy. While this outcome (hopefully) should look cool I am rethinking my overall plan for detailing this model. Why detail what is not correct so the frames etc are as they come.
The foreward cant frames and first few “square”frames.
View attachment 511195
My connection joints to the stem need some work. I know I can get these looking good with some attention once she comes out of the jig. View attachment 511196View attachment 511197
The rabbet line also needs to be widened. deepened and smoothed out. Man I’m making work for myself later but I’m happy with that vs the alternative.
Cheers Grant
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Looking great Grant
Congrats
 
AllanKP69 said:
I realize this is a translation issue, but are you writing about the material between scarfed pieces such as pieces of the keel? If yes, I wonder how folks here do this. I have used black tissue paper, ink, and paint with good results, but my favorite is to add a dot or two of brown acrylic paint to a small puddle of PVA glue to darken it. It does not take much paint at all and it does not weaken the strength of the glue.

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Everything I have read indicates this "sealing: material is dark from the pine tar used to mix it together. but the following has me confused. From the contract for Aurora (28) 1776:

The Keel to be Elm, not more than 4 pieces 13½ ins square in Mids, sided afore 12 ins, & at the aft part of the rabbet of the post 10 ins. The Scarphs 3 ft 8 ins long, tabled one into the other, laid with white Flannel oakum bolted with Six Bolts 1 in diameter. The lips of the said scarphs not to be left more than 3⅞ in thick.
From the contract for a 74 of 1781
<Keel> ..........to be 1 feet 6 inches square in the midships, sided afore 1 feet 2 inches, and at the Aft Part of the Rabbet of the Post 12½ inches. The Scarphs 4 feet 6 inches long, tabled one into the other, laid with white Flannel or Kersey, and bolted with eight Bolts 1¼ inches in diameter. The Lips of the said Scarphs not to be left more n thickness than 5¼ inches.

I am assuming the pine tar used to make up the mixture would turn everything a dark color.
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Hi Allan, all Axial Carpentry components should be garnished with tar cloths not only the keel but also the bow perticulars (all of them).Frank
 
GrantTyler said:
Good afternoon Gentlemen

The cant frames at the bow of the ship :
View attachment 511194
View attachment 511198
What is clear is that this CAF kit presents an admiralty version devoid of structural accuracy. While this outcome (hopefully) should look cool I am rethinking my overall plan for detailing this model. Why detail what is not correct so the frames etc are as they come.
The foreward cant frames and first few “square”frames.
View attachment 511195
My connection joints to the stem need some work. I know I can get these looking good with some attention once she comes out of the jig. View attachment 511196View attachment 511197
The rabbet line also needs to be widened. deepened and smoothed out. Man I’m making work for myself later but I’m happy with that vs the alternative.
Cheers Grant
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Beautiful work!. Thank you for the photos. The photo looking towards the bow , very nicely done.
 
Albert Mary said:
Good Day, Tyler. In these kinda model accuracy is circumscribed to the upper structures, let's say from channel-wale and above (gun deck, forecastle, quarterdeck, etc.) then I quote your idea.
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Good morning Albert. Absolutely. How I display this I still have to decide but it won’t be too far removed from the kit. Cheers Grant
 
AllanKP69 said:
I realize this is a translation issue, but are you writing about the material between scarfed pieces such as pieces of the keel? If yes, I wonder how folks here do this. I have used black tissue paper, ink, and paint with good results, but my favorite is to add a dot or two of brown acrylic paint to a small puddle of PVA glue to darken it. It does not take much paint at all and it does not weaken the strength of the glue.

View attachment 511327

Everything I have read indicates this "sealing: material is dark from the pine tar used to mix it together. but the following has me confused. From the contract for Aurora (28) 1776:

The Keel to be Elm, not more than 4 pieces 13½ ins square in Mids, sided afore 12 ins, & at the aft part of the rabbet of the post 10 ins. The Scarphs 3 ft 8 ins long, tabled one into the other, laid with white Flannel oakum bolted with Six Bolts 1 in diameter. The lips of the said scarphs not to be left more than 3⅞ in thick.
From the contract for a 74 of 1781
<Keel> ..........to be 1 feet 6 inches square in the midships, sided afore 1 feet 2 inches, and at the Aft Part of the Rabbet of the Post 12½ inches. The Scarphs 4 feet 6 inches long, tabled one into the other, laid with white Flannel or Kersey, and bolted with eight Bolts 1¼ inches in diameter. The Lips of the said Scarphs not to be left more n thickness than 5¼ inches.

I am assuming the pine tar used to make up the mixture would turn everything a dark color.
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Thank you Allan. I personally prefer to have these defined but slightly. I find the black paper/ink etc creates a distinct representation of this flannel. Some guys have pulled it off marvellously. For my joints I only removed the char 90% and when glued looks good. If I poly or oil this it will bring it up more. Cheers Grant
 
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