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Gventura said:
The kit comes with them pre-done because it doesn't plan on you planking the deck. And I won't be planking the entire deck either, only small sections to allow for the guns to sit on. I did consider just completely redoing them, which is still an option, we'll see.
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whatever you decide, I'm sure it will look great like the rest of your work !
 
Gventura said:
The kit comes with them pre-done because it doesn't plan on you planking the deck. And I won't be planking the entire deck either, only small sections to allow for the guns to sit on. I did consider just completely redoing them, which is still an option, we'll see.
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Of course! I guess I got caught up in the drawings, I didn't think about that. I wouldn't cover up all that beautiful structural work with a deck either!
 
To further complicate things the outboard most two to four strakes were sometimes top and butt or anchor stock planked, making things even more difficult. Sometimes the entire deck was made of oak or elm, at other times only the outboard strakes were elm or oak and with Prussian deal making up the balance. The two different species would make the model interesting with two different color wood species, something I have not seen but aim to try one day.
Allan
 
Gventura said:
Made some changes to the gun deck to be more inline with the plates for Enterprise.

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The waterway is exactly correct, it has too many cuts in it and it needs to be shaped. For example the left side is revised and the is the original piece.

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At this scale the hull side of the waterway should be 1.5mm but the inner side should be 1 mm, because planks at this scale should be 1 mm. It should look roughly like this. The outer .5 mm should be flat because the wall planking.


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Edited version.

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Dry fitting

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Good morning. I agree with Russ,(@RussF ) however if you are not planking the whole deck then your scratch made ones are more correct as joggle joints in a margin plank. As for Allan’s (@AllanKP69 )question it is something I have been trying to find out as my kit has neither and I don’t know which way to go. I was hoping for the hooked method as it is easier to make ROTF . Your model is marvellous. Cheers Grant
 
GrantTyler said:
it is something I have been trying to find out
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PLEASE post the information if you can find it. I have looked in the books again and found a litle more information. Goodwin describes the waterway and shows sketches but makes no comment on it being joggled. The clips below are from The Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War by Peter Goodwin
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He does describe the joggling in some detail for the margin plank as follows:
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This makes sense as joggling the water way might interfere with its purpose. If Goodwin's research is correct, the kit is incorrect in joggling the waterway and leaving out the margin plank. I checked the Establishments, SR1788 (Anon) and The Elements and Practice of Naval Architecture (Steel) and found no help there other than the number of strakes of oak versus Prussian deal on each deck. Even if the waterway was to be joggled, wouldn't it follow the stipulation on the cut itself as shown above for the margin plank?
Allan
 
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Some changes. So the design of the gun deck is incorrect, and I decided to fix it so that I can properly install the forward mast. Also decided to take out the red beams because I don't like the finish on them and they are too thin.

So here is the before, with bloodwood.

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Now the bloodwood cmpared to the new redheart that I would be using for the next set of posts shows a stark difference.

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Here is the corrected design and new posts.


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Much better I think.
 
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This brings up a question, an answer for which I keep looking for with no luck. Your model shows the joggling cut into the waterway rather than a margin plank. Was this ever really done? I have seen a lot of information on the waterways in books and contracts, but I have yet to see one mention of a margin plank in any contract. I was told cutting into the waterway was never done, but I cannot find contemporary evidence one way or the other. Assuming there was always a margin plank, cutting into it rather than the waterway seems right as Goodwin states that the margin plank is the same thickness as the flat of the deck. He does not give a reference on where he found the information on the margin plank but it makes total sense to me. If there is no margin plank and the cutting of the notches goes into the waterway it will leave ledges at each cut as the height of the waterway is usually about 2 inches higher than the deck planking at the chine.
Allan
 
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