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Unboxing Hms Enterprize 1774 1:48 - Modelship Dockyard

I think there is room in shipmodelbuilding for both the perfectionists and those who are satisfied with the completion of a kit that isn't warped. If one group dropped out, they would be sorely missed. The great thing about SHIPS OF SCALE is that it is a place where newbies can find ways to avoid making mistakes that would result in a warped model fit only for the trash. So, BRAVO ZULU to you all, the tyros who want to do better, and the Experts willing to give their precious time to help anyone struggling to get it right. A ruined model may very well send a beginner back to some silly waste of time instead of our elegant pastime.
 
AllanKP69 said:
That is what I thought, but hard to tell in the photo. I do not see any cypher either which would have been the George III cypher. With all the 3D printed parts being used in kits these days, the kit makers could offer appropriate pattern guns and save a lot of money at the same time. There is something to be said for brass guns but if they are blackened to replicate iron cannon, why bother? If the cannon were bronze, which would be appropriate for earlier cannon brass might be a better choice, but the majority of build logs are for ships with iron cannon.
Allan
An interesting and helpful website for cannon is: https://www.arc.id.au/Cannon.html
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Please remember on a British Man o War they where called GUNS ie 28 Gun ship
I guess the Cannon was the barrrel
 
AllanKP69 said:
Looking forward to seeing more pics as well. With about 10 contemporary drawings and the original contract written in 1776 for her sister Aurora available for free, this has the potential of being one of the best builds available.
Thanks Zoly
Allan
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Where are the drawings for Aurora please Be Interesting
 
richardjjs said:
Please remember on a British Man o War they where called GUNS ie 28 Gun ship
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Thanks Richard, point well taken :)
There is the contract for the sister ship Aurora that I transcribed some years ago. I don't recall if the original is at RMG or if it is held at the NA in Kew.

There are 10 drawings of the Enterprize and her class which includes Aurora. If you are looking only for Aurora, be careful which plans you use. The Enterprize drawings include her plans as a fighting ship as well as when later de-masted and anchored at the Tower of London. There she was a receiving ship for foreign ships, then used to hold impressed citizens that were then taken to assigned ships. The drawings can be found at the RMG Collections website in low resolution or can be purchased from them in high resolution. Some of them can be found in high resolution on the Wiki Commons site for RMG drawings on page 8 .
Allan
 
AllanKP69 said:
Thanks Richard, point well taken :)
There is the contract for the sister ship Aurora that I transcribed some years ago. I don't recall if the original is at RMG or if it is held at the NA in Kew.

There are 10 drawings of the Enterprize and her class which includes Aurora. If you are looking only for Aurora, be careful which plans you use. The Enterprize drawings include her plans as a fighting ship as well as when later de-masted and anchored at the Tower of London. There she was a receiving ship for foreign ships, then used to hold impressed citizens that were then taken to assigned ships. The drawings can be found at the RMG Collections website in low resolution or can be purchased from them in high resolution. Some of them can be found in high resolution on the Wiki Commons site for RMG drawings on page 8 .
Allan
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Sorry not used that site before can you give me a clue
or URL THANKS
 
Not sure which one you are looking for, so here goes...... hope it helps
Allan

Collection Results | Royal Museums Greenwich

Find objects, archive records and library items relating to your search, and use the filters to narrow down your results.
www.rmg.co.uk www.rmg.co.uk

Collection Results | Royal Museums Greenwich

Find objects, archive records and library items relating to your search, and use the filters to narrow down your results.
www.rmg.co.uk www.rmg.co.uk
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ship_plans_of_the_Royal_Museums_Greenwich Scroll to page 8.
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ NB: If you need a contract or such from them you need to make an appointment and go there to photograph the pages. As mentioned above, I do not recall if the original I have came from a visit to the NA or RMG but if you need the transcription, feel free to PM me with your email address and I will forward it to you.
Allan
 
Jimsky said:
Your English, Dirk is perfectly fine, BTW, English isn't my native language either.

Who said it would be bad if everything in the kit is the way you/me/others want? One wants brass cannons, another wants 3D printed, one wants Pearwood another Boxwood, and the third Cherry, and the fourth wants something affordable. One wants Frames, another bulkheads... One wants cotton threads another polyester... do you follow what I am trying to say? How easily the kit manufacturer can accommodate such demands, specifically in a small (a few man-operated) shop?

To me, A "model kit" is a set of pre-fabricated pieces, that hobbyists can assemble to create a scaled-down model of an object like a car, airplane, or ship, requiring the builder to follow instructions and often involving additional steps. The kit is designed and targets a wide audience of modelers with different skills and abilities in mind. The kit will never be designed for bashers only!

With kit manufacturing, there will be always compromises you have to account for. Even the most accurate kit (should one exist) will find the dissatisfied people. They will find what to complain about. The high price tag would be one of those complaints. Sorry, I don't know your age, but I don't remember POF kits at a young age of mine. All we have is the blank wood to shape the hull and other parts, brass wire, and cloth for the sail.
Today's kits are a complete game-changer, it is amazing what today's technology can offer, are you kidding me? Still, we are not satisfied: why not have a 3D print of cannons instead of brass? But then, for some reason, we don't critique the square holes in the tracks, found in some kits. We don't critique the blocks supplied year after year in the kits. Why is just the correct representation of cannons a culprit for a well-designed and nicely made kit?

Here is my advice to anyone (for free) ;) Buy a nice printer, design and print 3D barrels, or maybe a complete gun, and sell them as supplemental packs for various kits! How about that??!!!! BTW, I will not ask for commissions ROTFROTFROTF
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Any 3D prints or these Guns
Not sure id want to print Wood part of Gun when they are in the Kits !!
 
Alex R said:
Allan, I completely agree with you.
I was building British style cannon carriages for my Le Coureur build. However, after reading your posts and Jimsky's, I now know better, and I am almost finished building French style carriages for the (French) cannon included in the kit. Anyway, I learn stuff everyday. I'll post pictures on my Le Coureur build when I finish.
Thank you,
Alex R
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where are the Carriages available from to 3D Print
 
richardjjs said:
where are the Carriages available from to 3D Print
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Please also remember the rigging of the Carriages to Side and DEck where very different on Combined Fleet Ships to British (And American Ships)
Can post rigging if you need it
 
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richardjjs said:
Any 3D prints or these Guns
Not sure id want to print Wood part of Gun when they are in the Kits !!
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I agree, printed carriages may not look right, but if they are going to be painted, they might be OK for a lot of builders. 3D drawings of English barrels from about 1650 to 1850 as well as some Spanish barrels in various calibers and lengths are readily available at https://www.thenrg.org/page-1075420 I have used them numerous times with the fellow that does my printing here in the US without any problems.
Allan
 
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