HMS GRANADO - full hull - POF kit by CAF in 1:48 - by Uwe

[Uwek]

Wow, good afternoon.
Intrigue. Which picture is correct?

This would be correct





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Improving Basic Details – Getting the Gratings Right

Gratings are common a feature seen on old ships, as they can be used in place of hatch covers to allow ventilation below decks. They’re also be useful for standing on to keep out of pooling w…

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[Lucian29]

sorry , looks like I have some problems with the Chrome browser, switched to old browser. Great work Uwek, now it is too late for painting, you will only mess it up at this stage, looks amazing as it is

 

[Alexander74]

This would be correct

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from

Improving Basic Details – Getting the Gratings Right

Gratings are common a feature seen on old ships, as they can be used in place of hatch covers to allow ventilation below decks. They’re also be useful for standing on to keep out of pooling w…

shipmodeler.wordpress.com

This is where the whole conversation started.

 

[Uwek]

This is where the whole conversation started.

I am still not convinced by 100% - for me technically it is not fully understandable, but .....

 

[Tobias]

Very interesting discussion you have. I'm not a structural engineer but I'll try to use logical understanding (my understanding ). A slight curvature can be seen in the pictures you show (the lower row of bars), am I right when I say that this slight curvature achieves greater stability than if this bar were straight. In the case of loads, the groove would be somewhat narrowed in the upper area and the beam resting in it would be crushed. Furthermore, the construction also depends on the size (length and width ratio) and shape of the grid (square or rectangle). When I think of things like that, I also think of a brick vault, for example. As I've seen, there are of course straight (flat) grids where the aspects behave a little differently. As far as the alignment is concerned, the one in picture E10/3 looks better to me because it adapts to the lines of the ship and does not disturb the overall picture of a deck.
As mentioned above, it is curiosity that drives me to write something on the subject, I hope it will not be misunderstood.

 

[Steef66]

I am still not convinced by 100% - for me technically it is not fully understandable, but .....

Me too, just reading all the info. But...

 

[Uwek]

During research for drawings of the Soleil Royal I found a reprint of a contemporary drawing of a french 74-gunner (1719) which is also showing the grating direction like in my post #901




(BTW: interesting is also the treenailing of the deck planking - not often shown in contemporary drawings)


and Boudriot is showing a detail sketch of such a grating



so the french original drawing as well as Jean Boudriot if confirming this practice .......

 

[AnobiumPunctatum]

But you are building an English ship ...
The best source to answer your question is an old English contemporary model. But this time it shows the same as the french drawing

 

[Uwek]

But you are building an English ship ...
The best source to answer your question is an old English contemporary model. But this time it shows the same as the french drawing

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you are aboslutely correct - I wanted to show only in addition the same way the french navy built their gratings

Using your photo and making an excerpt to show it better



and also this view of another english section model is confirming it

 

[Uwek]

The last post from my side referring the gratings, than I will go back to my log.......

I found in Brianm Laverys book "The Arming and fitting of English Ships of the War 1600 - 1815" the following information, which is confirming the before mentioned information

Book review - Book Review / Look Inside: "The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War, 1600-1815" by Brian Lavery

Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War 1600-1815 by Brian Lavery Hardcover: 319 pages Publisher: Naval Inst Pr; 1st Edition edition (March 1, 1988) Language: English ISBN-10: 0870210092 ISBN-13: 978-0870210099 Product Dimensions: 10.2 x 1 x 12 inches Shipping Weight: 3.9 pounds...

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and also two photos showing the grating of a main hatch of a contemporary model either from above and also from below



I think, that I will sum up the known information in an extra topic

 

[Uwek]

Back to my model and the work

I started the quarterdeck bulkhead wall ......

Goodwin is showing two possible versions




First the vertical curved pillars wich are fixed to the front beam



before going further I installed the small ladder inside





first is the deep waterway plank which is going over the complete width of the deck



Preparation of the half doors to the cabin accomodation



Dry fitted





I still did not decide, which version of the bulkhead I will finaly make

Many Thanks for your interest ..... to be continued .....

 

[dockattner]

Nice consistency on the bend of the vertically planked doors. Not so easy I guess.

 

[Steef66]

I agree with Paul. Not easy

 

[Tobias]

Great progress my friend, you did a great job with the doors, I don't think they were easy either.

 

[Uwek]

Many Thanks to @Tobias , @Steef66 and @dockattner for the direct kind replies and also all the likes received

But I have to give the compliments to @CAFmodel for a very clever idea refering the curved form of these two doors.



On this older photo you can slightly see still the laser marks on the front of the door.

The parts were lasered in the curved form out of 4 or 5mm thick wooden sheet - so all together 6 planks laser cut - so not difficult for me.

 

[Dean62]

Many Thanks to @Tobias , @Steef66 and @dockattner for the direct kind replies and also all the likes received

But I have to give the compliments to @CAFmodel for a very clever idea refering the curved form of these two doors.

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On this older photo you can slightly see still the laser marks on the front of the door.

The parts were lasered in the curved form out of 4 or 5mm thick wooden sheet - so all together 6 planks laser cut - so not difficult for me.

It’s always nice when a kit makes your life easier!

 

[Uwek]

The wooden bulkhead boards are installed - the top one is wider, so that I am able to sand it down to the final form of the deck beam

 

[Mirek]

Wygląda super .Pozdrawiam Mirek

It looks great. Regards Mirek

 

[AnobiumPunctatum]

It‘s looking really good, Uwe

 

[RogerD]

Your work is so well done Uwe. There’s always something I learn from your build photographs, descriptions and historical links.