HMS Vanguard - Amati - scale 1:72 - Foto

[iutar]

but also according to painting some would still remain lavish during the Napoleonic war , but please correct me if i am wrong ok

In this picture the battery decks are painted white. This flag was abolished 15 years ago. There were three lanterns. There were no trysails on the foremast and mainmast. The bottom of the stern was black. The lower velhout was black. Continue further? We throw this “document” in the trash.

living near to the british maritime museum

Find there at least one model of a battleship for a given period with gold.

her hull being white and black like on this one

All these paintings were painted in a later period. There are other paintings of Bellerophon, where its hull is painted in adequate colors.

i highlty doubt this painting is with a occre color stern

Don't hesitate! Here is all the “gold” of those years:

Forester writes that financially secure captains decorated their ships with gold paint at their own expense

To paint in "gold" the eyebrows on the figurehead's head is a month's salary. To paint a ship like the Vanguard in “gold” is the ruin of several estates.

 

[maddog barry]

yes i do agree it was up to the captain regarding how the was decorated , i read the same things in the billy ruffian books , but in very rare occasion the captains was paying from he's own pocket unless being part of a very wealthy family or being very successful in capturing enemy ships , it is very hard to find more accurate proof of how ships would look like before nelson decided on a more military uniform color scheme as we know it to day , i am still scouter the nmm in Greenwich to find more details about all this and also refits and changes after battles , ships never truly look the same after any repairs and refits .

then again , building a ship is a personal things , choosing to really be accurate its not always easy , and not for everyone , so i understand why some would decide to customise theyere ships based on personal taste , and culture , am french and love both french and british ships , since they keep on copying each other , its not a lot of differences lol makes it easier

 

[maddog barry]

In this picture the battery decks are painted white. This flag was abolished 15 years ago. There were three lanterns. There were no trysails on the foremast and mainmast. The bottom of the stern was black. The lower velhout was black. Continue further? We throw this “document” in the trash.

Find there at least one model of a battleship for a given period with gold.

All these paintings were painted in a later period. There are other paintings of Bellerophon, where its hull is painted in adequate colors.



Don't hesitate! Here is all the “gold” of those years:
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To paint in "gold" the eyebrows on the figurehead's head is a month's salary. To paint a ship like the Vanguard in “gold” is the ruin of several estates.

love it , finally getting somewhere

 

[iutar]

Good afternoon, dear Winter and Maddog and other friends!
Maddog,
Maybe you, as a Frenchman, are interested in knowing that the French Navy abandoned gilding even earlier. The reason is the same: lack of funds. The French were also the first to paint the lower part of the ship’s hull black: this was influenced by a shortage of the mineral ocher.
I would like to share with pleasure this image of the ship Bellerophon, Vanguard's sistership, marine painter Thomas Lyiney, with the same story about Napoleon. There are interesting details here: lights removed for the day (standard procedure for cleaning and refilling), standard body paint, correct installation of sails when anchoring.

 

[AllanKP69]

it is very hard to find more accurate proof of how ships would look like

I agree Barry. I looked at the original contracts for Culloden 1776, Thunderer 1783 and for a 74 written in 1781. The first has no mention of paint and the latter has a very general description which is below.
Allan

To treble paint the Ship without Board with good Oil Colours, and in like Manner the Great Cabin, Steerage, and all the Cabins, Rails, Stantions, Ladders, Gratings, Gangways, Bulkheads, Capstands, Upper deck beams, and Knees, and all the Work both within and without board for finishing and compleating the Hull of said Ship, shall be done in a Workmanlike Manner, equal in all respects to those of His Majesty’s Ships of the like Quality in the King’s Yards.

 

[maddog barry]

so let said i want to get accurate on how the bello look like when she got napoleon onboard . white and black hull . and all stern deco painting but not guiled. or maybe gold paint ?

 

[maddog barry]

Good afternoon, dear Winter and Maddog and other friends!
Maddog,
Maybe you, as a Frenchman, are interested in knowing that the French Navy abandoned gilding even earlier. The reason is the same: lack of funds. The French were also the first to paint the lower part of the ship’s hull black: this was influenced by a shortage of the mineral ocher.
I would like to share with pleasure this image of the ship Bellerophon, Vanguard's sistership, marine painter Thomas Lyiney, with the same story about Napoleon. There are interesting details here: lights removed for the day (standard procedure for cleaning and refilling), standard body paint, correct installation of sails when anchoring.
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love the comment thanks for that

 

[iutar]

so let said i want to get accurate on how the bello look like when she got napoleon onboard . white and black hull . and all stern deco painting but not guiled. or maybe gold paint ?

No. Black and yellow ocher.
Black and white coloring will appear much later, in the thirties of the nineteenth century.

all stern deco painting but not guiled. or maybe gold paint ?

No. The decor is painted with yellow ochre.

Here is another painting from the Greenwich collection, which shows the scene of farewell to Napoleon.

 

[maddog barry]

No. Black and yellow ocher.
Black and white coloring will appear much later, in the thirties of the nineteenth century.


No. The decor is painted with yellow ochre.

Here is another painting from the Greenwich collection, which shows the scene of farewell to Napoleon.

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yeah i got that one too and also other from the same time apparently but white not occre lol , ok then deco and hull will be occre , winsdows white , thanks guys