HMS Vanguard - Amati - scale 1:72 - Foto

[iutar]

Уважаемый Зимнее Безмолвие! Я в шоке и даже не знаю, плакать или смеяться. Я говорил абсолютно противоположное: что "золото" не добавляли, а, наоборот, строго запретили в первой половине 18 века. Даже королевские яхты не имели позолоты! Тебе надо закрасить "золото", вместо него использовали охру.

Dear Winter! I'm shocked and don't even know whether to cry or laugh. I said that “gold” was not added, but, on the contrary, was strictly prohibited in the first half of the 18th century. Even the royal yachts were not gilded! You need to paint over the “gold”, they used ocher instead.

 

[iutar]

Damn you, bring up this topic, I had a desire to redo the inscription.

Название корабля в Ройял Нэви всегда писалось только краской и никогда не вырезалось рельефом. Рельефные названия кораблей на корме придуманы моделистами. Автор и дизайнер модели Вангварда, Крис Уаттон, долгие годы делает эту ошибку в своих разработках. И лишь в последние годы он начал использовать декали, как в этом наборе.

HMS Indefatigable – 1794 – VANGUARD MODELS

vanguardmodels.co.uk

The name of the ship was always written only in paint and was never carved in relief. The embossed names of the ships on the stern were created by modellers. The author and designer of the Vanguard model, Chris Watton, has been making this mistake in his designs for many years. It's only in recent years that he's started using decals like the ones in this kit.

HMS Indefatigable – 1794 – VANGUARD MODELS

vanguardmodels.co.uk

 

[Winter]

Уважаемый Зимнее Безмолвие! Я в шоке и даже не знаю, плакать или смеяться. Я говорил абсолютно противоположное: что "золото" не добавляли, а, наоборот, строго запретили в первой половине 18 века. Даже королевские яхты не имели позолоты! Тебе надо закрасить "золото", вместо него использовали охру.

Dear Winter! I'm shocked and don't even know whether to cry or laugh. I said that “gold” was not added, but, on the contrary, was strictly prohibited in the first half of the 18th century. Even the royal yachts were not gilded! You need to paint over the “gold”, they used ocher instead.

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You can make it easier, pick out the name Vanguard, and come up with the name of the ship yourself, then no one will have any complaints that something has not been historically done. For the place of the gaff, I want to hang the mizzen ryu, do not use the coffel-nagels (I have no idea where I will tie the ends of the ropes), but I want to do this, and this, too, as I understand it, is historically not the right decision.

 

[Winter]

Уважаемый Зимнее Безмолвие! Я в шоке и даже не знаю, плакать или смеяться. Я говорил абсолютно противоположное: что "золото" не добавляли, а, наоборот, строго запретили в первой половине 18 века. Даже королевские яхты не имели позолоты! Тебе надо закрасить "золото", вместо него использовали охру.

Dear Winter! I'm shocked and don't even know whether to cry or laugh. I said that “gold” was not added, but, on the contrary, was strictly prohibited in the first half of the 18th century. Even the royal yachts were not gilded! You need to paint over the “gold”, they used ocher instead.

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I was amused by your suggestion that I redo the decor of the stern, because you can see perfectly well from the photos that my hands are growing out of my ass.

 

[iutar]

top rail painting

I was amused by your suggestion that I redo the decor of the stern, because you can see perfectly well from the photos that my hands are growing out of my ass.

Уважаемый Винтер! Не говорите так! Вы просто не пробовали. Нарисуйте на картоне фигурку. Возьмите скульптурный пластилин или двухкомпонентную шпаклёвку (типа Тамийя патти или любых китайских аналогов, которых в каждом хозяйственном магазине сейчас завались) и попробуйте слепить маленькие фигурки на листе картона. Используйте иглы, скрепки и зубочистки, смоченные в воде, для выравнивания пластика. В Интернете много видео с обучением и примерами. Всё получится! Попробуйте!

Носовую фигуру переделать ещё проще и даже азартнее. В любом случае, чтобы вы не сделали, это будет лучше того хлама, что придумал Крис Уаттон.

Dear Winter! Don't say that! You just haven't tried. Draw a figure on the cardboard. Take sculpting clay or two-component putty (Tamiya putty) and try making small figures on a sheet of cardboard. Use needles, metal clips and toothpicks dipped in water to smooth out the plastic. Everything will work out! Try it!

Remaking the figurehead is even easier and even more fun. Either way, whatever you do, it will be better than the crap Chris Watton came up with.

 

[iutar]

You can make it easier, pick out the name Vanguard, and come up with the name of the ship yourself, then no one will have any complaints that something has not been historically done. For the place of the gaff, I want to hang the mizzen ryu, do not use the coffel-nagels (I have no idea where I will tie the ends of the ropes), but I want to do this, and this, too, as I understand it, is historically not the right decision.

Есть вещи, которые ошибочны независимо от названия корабля. Например, ошибка с окраской под золото. Правило было общим. Это ошибка во времени, и она нелепая. Это точно так же, как на корме поставить пулемёт Вулкан - не то время. Вы сорвали медную обшивку и покрасили модель по образцу 1778 года, это было сложно и трудно. По сравнению с этим, закрасить "золото" и сменить название теперь будет проще простого.

Ноунейм корабль - не самая удачная идея, считаю. Это же не автомобиль, который делают миллионами штук, это единичная работа. Вы всё-таки приглядитесь к HMS Edgar. У него простой декор, и по времени подходит. Минимум переделок. И пусть Вас не пугает замена декора на корме. Просто попробуйте, и у Вас всё получится!
Я следил за стройкой, я знаю, что Вы всё сможете, просто не попробовали ещё. Я в Вас верю!

There are things that are wrong regardless of the name of the ship. For example, a mistake with painting gold. The rule was general. It's a timing error and it's ridiculous. This is exactly the same as putting a Vulcan machine gun on the stern - it’s not the right time. You tore off the copper plating and painted the model to match the 1778 model, it was complex and difficult. Compared to this, painting over the “gold” and changing the name will be a piece of cake.

A noname ship is not the best idea, I think. This is not a car that is made in millions of pieces, this is a one-off job. You will still take a closer look at HMS Edgar. It has simple decor and is time appropriate. Minimum rework.
And don’t let the replacement of decor on the stern scare you. Just try it and you will succeed!
I believe in you!

 

[iutar]

По поводу рангоута и такелажа. Всё верно, Вы абсолютно правы: гафель появится гораздо позже, кофель-нагельные планки отсутствуют в выбранный Вами период.
Вам нужно поискать в Интернете фотографии модели HMS Thunderer из коллекции Гринвича, там подробно восстановлен рангоут и такелаж. Схему укладки снастей обсудим позже, хотя на модели во многом всё понятно.

Regarding the spar and rigging. That's right: the gaff will appear much later, the dowel strips are not available during the period you selected.
You should look online for photographs of a model of HMS Thunderer from the Greenwich collection, where the spars and rigging have been restored in detail. We will discuss the layout of the gear later, although in many respects everything is clear on the model.

HMS Thunderer (1783) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[iutar]

Если у Вас есть книга Марквардта, "Рангоут и такелаж судов 18 века", то вообще проблем не будет.
If you have Marquardt's book, "Spars and Rigging of 18th Century Ships", then there will be no problems at all.

 

[iutar]

To help:

 

[iutar]

To help:

 

[Winter]

Есть вещи, которые ошибочны независимо от названия корабля. Например, ошибка с окраской под золото. Правило было общим. Это ошибка во времени, и она нелепая. Это точно так же, как на корме поставить пулемёт Вулкан - не то время. Вы сорвали медную обшивку и покрасили модель по образцу 1778 года, это было сложно и трудно. По сравнению с этим, закрасить "золото" и сменить название теперь будет проще простого.

Igor, thank you, of course, but you won't seduce me with machine guns on a sailboat.))

 

[iutar]

Igor, thank you, of course, but you won't seduce me with machine guns on a sailboat.))

Пулемёты ты не поставил, а на дешевое золото повёлся!
You didn’t install machine guns, but fell for cheap gold!
)))))

 

[Jimsky]

@iutar and @Winter If you don't know what is the discussion please read below:

Discussions are the action or process of talking about something in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.

If you cannot reach a decision (for any reason), I suggest you stop exchanging ideas and insulting each other. There is no need for an argument. Build the way you can\want!

 

[Winter]

Skid beams, waist fences.

 

[Winter]

I have another alteration of what has already been done, I putty the gap between the nasal figure and the knavdiget. The most interesting thing is that I shifted the position of the nasal figure, it became prettier in my opinion. I installed the tack boxes, and the next fences, on the latrine.
It was
Become

 

[Winter]

The figurine had a broken sword, made a new one- brass, and stainless steel.

 

[Winter]

I made the "whiskers" of the foresail sheets and attached the covers of the gun ports of the gundeck.

 

[Winter]

I'm trying to sharpen the rigging, but it's really hard. I have doubts about the correctness of the rigging sizes specified in the instructions.

 

[maddog barry]

i do agree and aslo disagree with what i have read here
yes it is true that all the gold finishing was ban due to budget restriction to free money to build more ships , but also according to painting some would still remain lavish during the Napoleonic war , but please correct me if i am wrong ok, i am currently doing the Bellerophon, and i work based on paintings , living near to the british maritime museum i spend a great deal of time there

the statue bellow is the last one from the bellerophon before being transform into a prison ship , her captain saved it for memories sake
i came across few painting of the bello her hull being white and black like on this one , i fund at least 3 paintings with the same color themes and still have her gold deco , i highlty doubt this painting is with a occre color stern , but please again feel free to correct me

 

[Winter]

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In one of the books about Horatio Hornblower, Forester writes that financially secure captains decorated their ships with gold paint at their own expense. Although it is fiction, I doubt that Forester came up with this himself.