La Belle 1680 - 1/36 - ANCRE monograf - POB prototype by kuba91nt

[kuba91nt]

Hi.
In my free time, i'm testing and setting up a 3D printer. Finally, decorations will be orange shellac, although antique gold also looks great...
Best regards

 

[Mirek]

Witaj
Piękne dekory ,powodzenia. Pozdrawiam Mirek

 

[Roger Pellett]

Waldemar, Thanks for the drawings of the Atlantic Merchant Barks that you posted above. I could believe that Le Griffon might have been similar to one of these vessels.

I enjoy reading archeology reports but sometimes it seems like what they really understand are Mast Steps. All else is inferred.

Roger

 

[WojtasS]

Nice prints. Are you going to show shellac ones too? Could you tell how long it took to print them and the height of figurehead

 

[kuba91nt]

Witaj
Piękne dekory ,powodzenia. Pozdrawiam Mirek

Witaj. Biorę przykład od Ciebie Mirku, cały okręt będzie w jednym odcieniu szelaku lub szelaku orange.
Zastosowałeś świetne rozwiazanie z podkałdem akrylowym. Dziękuję!

I'm taking your example, Mirek. The entire ship will be one shade of shellac or shellac orange.
You used a great solution with the acrylic primer. Thank you!

Waldemar, Thanks for the drawings of the Atlantic Merchant Barks that you posted above. I could believe that Le Griffon might have been similar to one of these vessels.

I enjoy reading archeology reports but sometimes it seems like what they really understand are Mast Steps. All else is inferred.

Roger

It's difficult to determine reality of a unit based on a few writings or boards. Each report is different, it's important to take goal and try to obtain the best information possible. There's a wealth of information about La Belle, but much of it is incorrect despite vast archaeological evidence.
I have several research papers on this ship, and i'll learn something from each one as i build it. I think it's worth it, because she is majestic.

Nice prints. Are you going to show shellac ones too? Could you tell how long it took to print them and the height of figurehead

Figure is 38mm tall in 1/36 scale. It will be sized once i add a bowsprit. I'm trying to dissolve shellac to the correct color, both on wood and decorative elements.
I'll show the whole thing as i build it. Printing time, depending on the number of supports or base, is from 1:40 to 2 hours.
These are only technical, test prints.

 

[Hubac’s Historian]

Waldemar, I won’t pretend that I fully understand all that you describe in your numerous reconstructions, but I am always learning, and I would like to express how much I appreciate what you bring to this forum.

Kuba, I am very interested to see what you do with La Belle - a vessel that I also consider a strong candidate for transitioning my skills from plastic to wood. I know what it’s like to have your enthusiasm for a project wax and wane, but I sincerely hope you will continue.

 

[-Waldemar-]

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Waldemar, I won’t pretend that I fully understand all that you describe in your numerous reconstructions, but I am always learning, and I would like to express how much I appreciate what you bring to this forum.

Thanks, Marc . I realize that all these conceptual issues can be quite burdensome for many, which is why I have been trying to be as concise as possible lately, and not to overload the presentations with too many details.

Kuba, I am very interested to see what you do with La Belle - a vessel that I also consider a strong candidate for transitioning my skills from plastic to wood. I know what it’s like to have your enthusiasm for a project wax and wane, but I sincerely hope you will continue.

I'm very curious to see what your next choice will be. Are you really going to switch to wood? In that case, the focus of the model's difficulty will inevitably shift or expand into completely different areas. To balance this out somehow, perhaps something much simpler in terms of decoration than your amazing floating palace, for example, a modest tender serving it, such as the French fluit from that period shown below? However, this is only a basic plan without many details, and it still requires interpretation of what is already on it. Therefore, it would probably be more rational to use a complete monograph so as not to run into any unwanted trouble. Just saying...

And I also hope that Kuba will not lose his enthusiasm for this historically and archaeologically important ship.

I could believe that Le Griffon might have been similar to one of these vessels.

Roger, as for French barques from the very period you are interested in, they are really very well, comprehensively covered by Jean Boudriot in his Le Navire Marchand. Ancien Régime. Etude historique et Monographie. As it turns out, this is a very broad category covering quite diverse ships in terms of size, from the smallest single-masted specimens to the large ship-rigged vessels. And, as it happens, this monograph has recently been translated into English.


Draught of a French fluit from the last decades of the 17th cent., companion proposal for Marc's Soleil Royal :

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[kuba91nt]

Waldemar, I won’t pretend that I fully understand all that you describe in your numerous reconstructions, but I am always learning, and I would like to express how much I appreciate what you bring to this forum.

Kuba, I am very interested to see what you do with La Belle - a vessel that I also consider a strong candidate for transitioning my skills from plastic to wood. I know what it’s like to have your enthusiasm for a project wax and wane, but I sincerely hope you will continue.

Thank you. This project is being created because i believe it's worth doing something on my own. Even if it's a POB, with a little effort and more time, you can create a model significantly better than the kit at a lower cost.
Kits are boring to me now, there's no model that excites me, and when a new one does come out, it's simply historically flawed and uncorrect, so i know, i can do it better, and i don't care what they give me, i only care now what i want to build.
Regards.

 

[Hubac’s Historian]

Thank you, Waldemar. And, yes, I absolutely will transition to wood. I have always been inspired by this particularly brilliant execution of La Belle by Olivier Gatine:





In my opinion, this is the pinnacle of the miniaturist ship carver’s art. The lines of this little ship are also very pleasing.

 

[-Waldemar-]

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In my opinion, this is the pinnacle of the miniaturist ship carver’s art. The lines of this little ship are also very pleasing.

Well, yes, I absolutely agree with you about the appeal of this particular model, since it just so happens that this very style perfectly matches my personal preferences too. Sterile workmanship in the best sense of the term, including the decorations. An ideal model, one may say.

As for the hull lines themselves, Lemineur has indeed achieved a result quite similar to the original, so there is really no need to split a hair, but now I know that it could also have been done in a completely correct manner.

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[kuba91nt]

Thank you, Waldemar. And, yes, I absolutely will transition to wood. I have always been inspired by this particularly brilliant execution of La Belle by Olivier Gatine:
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In my opinion, this is the pinnacle of the miniaturist ship carver’s art. The lines of this little ship are also very pleasing.

Agree. Ship is small, and it seems like a simple plan. In reality, however, it will require considerable commitment to build.
For my first ship of scratch, plan type, it's quite a challenge.
I doubt i'll match shipbuilding skill of the most accomplished ships. I'll try to do it as a hobby, but with considerable dedication.
After a few considerations and adjustments, it will be possible.

I'm currently waiting for the featherboard to arrive so i can start preparing wood for keel, bow. My fingers are too close to the saw, so I don't want to risk health.