Did you purchase the hooks and brass strapping? Your results with those are incredible.
Jan
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La Créole 1827 by archjofo - Scale 1/48 - French corvette
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Hi Jan,
First of all, thank you for the nice comment.
For the hooks I made master models from brass and then had them cast by a jewellery foundry using the lost wax process.
I had the brass fittings for the blocks etched from sheet brass according to the patterns I had drawn.
So in this respect I made everything myself.
First of all, thank you for the nice comment.
For the hooks I made master models from brass and then had them cast by a jewellery foundry using the lost wax process.
I had the brass fittings for the blocks etched from sheet brass according to the patterns I had drawn.
So in this respect I made everything myself.
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Fore topmast stay - Étai petit mât de hune
According to my announcement in the last post, I am dealing with the topmast stays. So I prepared the assembly for the fore topmast stay. According to my original assumption that a left-hand rope was used here, this is obviously not the case according to my current research. The stay had a diameter of 41 mm in the original, which corresponds to 0.85 mm in model scale.
The fore topmast stay is attached in the same way as the main stay. This requires an open eye. The two legs are spliced into the stay. Finally, the ends receive spliced-in eyes, which then receive a lashing, as can be seen in the following picture. For comparison, I have laid a rope next to it that corresponds to the mainstay.
The fore topmast stay was routed on the starboard side of the bowsprit top via stay sheave to the bow for fastening by means of thimble and eyebolt. The area of the stay that was led around the sheave was served.
Source: Atlas du Génie Maritime
Source: Original model in the Musée de la Marine Paris
The flashings for the fore topmast stay have to be applied directly to the model, as it is then no longer possible to pass the rope through the sheave cleat.
The next picture shows the eyebolt with thimble of the stay attachment on the forecastle.
Here you can see the guidance of the stage over the side sheaves with the served areas.
The last picture shows the fore topmast stay on the topmast crosstrees.
To be continued ...
According to my announcement in the last post, I am dealing with the topmast stays. So I prepared the assembly for the fore topmast stay. According to my original assumption that a left-hand rope was used here, this is obviously not the case according to my current research. The stay had a diameter of 41 mm in the original, which corresponds to 0.85 mm in model scale.
The fore topmast stay is attached in the same way as the main stay. This requires an open eye. The two legs are spliced into the stay. Finally, the ends receive spliced-in eyes, which then receive a lashing, as can be seen in the following picture. For comparison, I have laid a rope next to it that corresponds to the mainstay.
The fore topmast stay was routed on the starboard side of the bowsprit top via stay sheave to the bow for fastening by means of thimble and eyebolt. The area of the stay that was led around the sheave was served.
Source: Atlas du Génie Maritime
Source: Original model in the Musée de la Marine Paris
The flashings for the fore topmast stay have to be applied directly to the model, as it is then no longer possible to pass the rope through the sheave cleat.
The next picture shows the eyebolt with thimble of the stay attachment on the forecastle.
Here you can see the guidance of the stage over the side sheaves with the served areas.
The last picture shows the fore topmast stay on the topmast crosstrees.
To be continued ...
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Hello,
and here it goes on:
Fore topgallant stay - Étai petit mât de perroquet
In preparing to make the fore topgallant stay, the following question needs clarification and I hope for your expert assistance to clarify it:
In the monograph for La Créole, a diameter of 40 mm is given for the fore topgallant stay, not only in the overview with rigging plan but also in the text.
The fore topmast stay has a diameter of 41 mm. In this respect, the fore topgallant stay with a diameter of 40 mm seems to me to be much too thick. In my opinion, the stay should be
be much thinner, perhaps around 19 mm in diameter.
What do you think?
and here it goes on:
Fore topgallant stay - Étai petit mât de perroquet
In preparing to make the fore topgallant stay, the following question needs clarification and I hope for your expert assistance to clarify it:
In the monograph for La Créole, a diameter of 40 mm is given for the fore topgallant stay, not only in the overview with rigging plan but also in the text.
The fore topmast stay has a diameter of 41 mm. In this respect, the fore topgallant stay with a diameter of 40 mm seems to me to be much too thick. In my opinion, the stay should be
be much thinner, perhaps around 19 mm in diameter.
What do you think?
41/48 = 0,85 mm
40/48 =0,83 mm real dimensions of 1/48 model
I agree - 40mm is way too thick. Somewhere between 19 and 25? Gorgeous work as always. Many thanks for sharing, Johann.
Hi Johann!
Here are some data (Ø) from the "Ancre"-biography by "Hermione" 1779-1793 after JC Lemineur:
Forestay 99
Forepreventer stay 65
Mainstay 103
Main preventer stay 65
Mizzen stay 54
Fore topmast stay 52
Fore topmast preventer stay 41
Main topmast stay 54
Main topmast preventer stay 41
Mizzen topmast stay 30
Fore topgallant stay 26
Main topgallant stay 26
Mizzen topgallant stay 15
The difference in rope strength between the Fore topmast stay and the Fore topgallant stay is obvious. But this does not automatically mean that the data in the "La Creole"-biography is wrong. At least it needs a more accurate verification!
Best regards
Thomas
Here are some data (Ø) from the "Ancre"-biography by "Hermione" 1779-1793 after JC Lemineur:
Forestay 99
Forepreventer stay 65
Mainstay 103
Main preventer stay 65
Mizzen stay 54
Fore topmast stay 52
Fore topmast preventer stay 41
Main topmast stay 54
Main topmast preventer stay 41
Mizzen topmast stay 30
Fore topgallant stay 26
Main topgallant stay 26
Mizzen topgallant stay 15
The difference in rope strength between the Fore topmast stay and the Fore topgallant stay is obvious. But this does not automatically mean that the data in the "La Creole"-biography is wrong. At least it needs a more accurate verification!
Best regards
Thomas
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Hello,
Thank you all for your important advice and suggestions.
In the meantime, I have come to realise that it is not necessarily wrong that the fore topgallant stay is as thick as stated in the monograph. In this respect, I will check it further and hope that I will come to a result.
Thank you all for your important advice and suggestions.
In the meantime, I have come to realise that it is not necessarily wrong that the fore topgallant stay is as thick as stated in the monograph. In this respect, I will check it further and hope that I will come to a result.
HELLO Johann,
Nice to see your Beautiful model here, indeed - balm for the eyes, beautifully done!
Wish You all the Best!
Kirill
Nice to see your Beautiful model here, indeed - balm for the eyes, beautifully done!
Wish You all the Best!
Kirill
burada, ön direk dayanağı =43 mm
ön üst galant = 26 mm
bu yaşlar, gerçek gemi ölçüleri.....
biz modelimize (ben modelim 1/48) 43 mm/ 48=,89 mm ve
26mm / 48=0,54 mm doğru mu
or bu boyutlar 43mm ve 26mm
model boyutunda halatlar
WHICH ONE IS RIGHT
ön üst galant = 26 mm
bu yaşlar, gerçek gemi ölçüleri.....
biz modelimize (ben modelim 1/48) 43 mm/ 48=,89 mm ve
26mm / 48=0,54 mm doğru mu
or bu boyutlar 43mm ve 26mm
model boyutunda halatlar
WHICH ONE IS RIGHT
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Hello archjofo saw your videos on YouTube months ago and was thrilled with your work, how nice to find you here at SOS to get deeper insights. Mega nice work
Hello everyone, I have a technical question about the rotation of the ropes, left or right. What is the background that they are rotated one time to the right and the other time to the left? Is there a technical thought for this or is it just an aspect of the perfect / original replica, or depending on which ropemaker it was obtained from? I hope I was able to express myself clearly now.
bu doğru yön
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Main topmast stay - Étai grand mât de hune
The main topmast stay of the La Créole had a diameter of 43 mm, which corresponds to a diameter of 0.89 mm in model scale 1:48. I made the corresponding rope from the finest Japanese silk yarn from Yli; 4 x 3 righthanded, and then these 3 strands were laid to the left to form a cable.
The next picture shows the main topmast stay with the open stay eye and the eyes spliced into the legs. Next to it is the prepared guide collar with thimble, which is placed around the masthead and then lashed down.
The main topmast stay is led through the thimble in the guide collar down to the deck and fastened there. I still have to finalise this detail.
To be continued ...
The main topmast stay of the La Créole had a diameter of 43 mm, which corresponds to a diameter of 0.89 mm in model scale 1:48. I made the corresponding rope from the finest Japanese silk yarn from Yli; 4 x 3 righthanded, and then these 3 strands were laid to the left to form a cable.
The next picture shows the main topmast stay with the open stay eye and the eyes spliced into the legs. Next to it is the prepared guide collar with thimble, which is placed around the masthead and then lashed down.
The main topmast stay is led through the thimble in the guide collar down to the deck and fastened there. I still have to finalise this detail.
To be continued ...
I "love" your work and your model very much - It is already over a long time a big inspiration for me.
Many thanks for sharing with us and explaining to us
Many thanks for sharing with us and explaining to us
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Hi Uwe,
thank you for your kind words, and thank you to all the others for your LIKES.
Here is the continuation:
In the meantime, the rope for the mizzen topmast stay was made from fine silk yarn, three strands are laid up right handed to form a hawser laid rope with ø 0.77 mm in model scale, which corresponds to ø 37 mm in the original. A guide collar was also made, as for the main topmast stay, to guide it down along the mast for attachment.
As already mentioned for the main topmast stay, this detail needed further clarification, which has now been done. Behind both the foremast and the mainmast was a set of guide blocks, which were carried on an iron rod. The respective stay was attached in the middle to this iron rod, which was fastened to the deck with three holders.For this purpose, the iron rod was inserted through the thimbles tied into the stays.
Here you can see the binding of a thimble:
The following three pictures show the mizzen topmast stay from the top to the attachment point:
The following are three pictures of the main topmast stay from the top to the attachment point at the guide blocks:
To be continued ...
Hi Uwe,
thank you for your kind words, and thank you to all the others for your LIKES.
Here is the continuation:
In the meantime, the rope for the mizzen topmast stay was made from fine silk yarn, three strands are laid up right handed to form a hawser laid rope with ø 0.77 mm in model scale, which corresponds to ø 37 mm in the original. A guide collar was also made, as for the main topmast stay, to guide it down along the mast for attachment.
As already mentioned for the main topmast stay, this detail needed further clarification, which has now been done. Behind both the foremast and the mainmast was a set of guide blocks, which were carried on an iron rod. The respective stay was attached in the middle to this iron rod, which was fastened to the deck with three holders.For this purpose, the iron rod was inserted through the thimbles tied into the stays.
Here you can see the binding of a thimble:
The following three pictures show the mizzen topmast stay from the top to the attachment point:
The following are three pictures of the main topmast stay from the top to the attachment point at the guide blocks:
To be continued ...