Le Saint Philippe 1693 after Jean-Claude Lemineur (Ancre) in scale 1:48

[Tobias]

Hi Paul, it's shameful to read something like this. Please don't let it bother you that people, in my opinion, "don't have any balls" (sorry for the expression) don't make this kind of insult public. To the critic(s) who feel addressed, please feel free to write to me. I know these kinds of people; in most cases, this criticism is just about envy. Pathetic. I sincerely hope you continue with this blog and perhaps with one or two others as well. Your work is exemplary in every respect—precise and meticulous. If you're ever stuck, you ask other members, so you're doing everything right. Constructive criticism is always welcome here, at least that's how I've always seen it. Please don't let them get you down. Best regards from a sycophantic, narcissistic guy —I just can't help it, sorry.

 

[GrantTyler]

Good morning Paul. For each detractor there are a hundred fans. From my side you are" not allowed" to leave SOS. You have been my biggest helper, given me so much encouragement and have become an on-line shipbuilding friend. Not to mention that I admire your work and we would all be greatly "poorer" without it.

Of course your banter......so sorry you are stuck with us lot .

Cheers Grant

 

[Steef66]

I was away for a few days. I had to catch up on things here. I do agree with Tobias. Members often forget that their words cause more harm than necessary. They also forget that we’re building a model and aren’t scientists. I think, as Tobias says, this is a form of jealousy, and the only thing they can do is tear someone down. Because they can’t match your level of model building. I hope for your sake that this doesn’t happen too often, because I know it eats away at you. That’s why I left the “modelbouwforum.” Too many jealous bullies.

Block them and politely ask them to stay away from commenting on your log. Sometimes that helps.

 

[KMSvideo]

Diskusia o horizontálnych (umiestnených) kolenách za sťažňom mizzen na tretej palube lode Saint Philippe nabrala nešťastný smer. V rámci výmeny názorov s jedným z našich členov som uverejnil príspevok, ktorý mal byť poďakovaním a uznaniem. Žiaľ, úprimnosť môjho príspevku bola okamžite odmietnutá a bol som obvinený z nečestnosti , zavádzania , rozrušenia z ľudí, ktorí sa odvážili ponúknuť usmernenie , a nepripravenosti prijať čokoľvek iné ako slepé lichôtky . V skutočnosti som bol charakterizovaný ako človek, ktorý vytvára kruh vzájomného, narcistického zbožňovania . A tí z vás, ktorí v tejto správe o stavbe uverejňujú povzbudivé veci, sú podľa môjho súčasného kritika podlízavci .

Už som tu bol, a preto som sa zdráhal pokračovať ako člen SOS. Zdá sa, že som ako plameň, ktorý priťahuje mole.

Nuž, táto aktuálna epizóda ma zasiahla v čase, keď sa odchod zdá menej vhodný. Je mi úprimne ľúto nášho kolegu, ktorý zrejme nie je schopný prijať úprimný odkaz vďačnosti ( úprimný je pre môjho kritika spúšťacím slovom).


Pokračujme ďalej. Možno si spomínate, že pôvodom tejto diskusie bolo niekoľko kresieb, ktoré som nedokázal zosúladiť. Vďaka našim priateľom Waldemarovi a Tobiasovi (ktorý je mojím sprostredkovateľom s Gerardom Delacroixom na francúzskom fóre [Gerard je námorný archeológ, autor niekoľkých monografií a špecialista na francúzske lode zo 17. a 18. storočia]) sme sa dozvedeli nasledovné, čo sa týka vzťahu medzi umiestnenými nohami a rímsami:

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Dobre, dokážem to.

Potom sa však vynorila otázka, ako pán Lemineur zrekonštruoval túto časť tretej paluby. Na tomto mieste nie je žiadne ťažké delostrelectvo... mali by tu vôbec byť kolená? Ak áno, mali by byť horizontálne? Mali by byť vertikálne? Keď už sme pri tom: mali by tu vôbec byť rímsy?

Po zhromaždení pomerne veľkého množstva informácií... môžem teraz konštatovať, že prevaha dôkazov ukazuje, že neexistuje prevaha dôkazov . V skutočnosti je možné obhájiť niekoľko riešení...

Preto si neviem predstaviť žiadny dôvod, prečo by som sa mal odchýliť od uvedených plánov. Na podporu tohto tvrdenia ma motivuje niečo, čo napísal Blaise Ollivier. Pán Ollivier napísal pojednanie o francúzskej stavbe lodí, ktoré bolo publikované v roku 1735 (asi 40 rokov po stavbe SP):

"TRETIE PALUBOVÉ OBLOKY"
Sú to drevené oblúky, ktoré spájajú nosníky tretej paluby pre prvotriedne lode s okrajom paluby. Na každom konci nosníkov tretej paluby je oblúk, umiestnený a pripevnený ako oblúky druhej paluby, s výnimkou oblasti od sťažňa po kormu, kde niektorí stavitelia vedú oblúky tretej paluby vodorovne, aby v kajutách bolo viac miesta...“

Presne toto ukazuje pán Lemineur na svojich plánoch a možno je to dokonca PREČO sa rozhodol zrekonštruovať SP tak, ako to urobil (mimochodom, k tomuto rozhodnutiu sa vo svojej monografii nevyjadruje).

Ďakujem, že si sa s nami zahral/a.

Ahoj Pavol,
Šokuje ma, ako niektorí ľudia dokážu zničiť nadšenie pre svoju prácu. Osobne som vaším hrdým chvastavcom a budem veľmi rád, ak ním zostanem. Vaša práca a nadšenie sú povzbudením pre nás ostatných a som veľmi rád, že naďalej zostávate na fóre a zdieľate s nami svoju prácu. Som si istý, že máte za sebou stovky vďačných ľudí, ktorí stále čakajú na vaše príspevky.

 

[Namabiiru]

Good morning Paul. For each detractor there are a hundred fans. From my side you are" not allowed" to leave SOS. You have been my biggest helper, given me so much encouragement and have become an on-line shipbuilding friend. Not to mention that I admire your work and we would all be greatly "poorer" without it.

Of course your banter......so sorry you are stuck with us lot .

Cheers Grant

True story!!

Honestly, though, I get that some people take their hobbies so seriously it becomes an obsession, but what is it that pushes someone over the edge to where they’ve lost so much enjoyment that rather give up they want to kill the enjoyment for others? No doubt, Paul, you are wise enough to see that those of us who are in utter admiration of your work vastly outnumber the lone dissenter.

Must be an Army guy. If there’s a way to suck the fun out of something, the Army will find it…

 

[Jimsky]

Good morning all,

I’d like to take a moment to support Paul here and, hopefully, bring the tone of this discussion back to what makes this forum valuable to all of us.

From my perspective, Paul’s original message read as genuine appreciation. Whether one agrees with every interpretation or conclusion in a build log, recognizing effort and sharing encouragement has always been part of the culture that makes this community strong. Not every expression of thanks needs to be dissected for hidden meaning.

We are all here because we care about the craft—whether it’s interpreting the structure around the mizzen mast or shaping a clean set of lodging knees. These are complex subjects, and none of us has a monopoly on correctness. Constructive input is always welcome, but the way it is delivered matters just as much as the content itself.

It would be helpful if we could assume good intent first, respect as such. A sincere “thank you” should be taken at face value, not as something to be challenged or dismissed. Encouragement from other members should also not be reduced to anything negative, it’s simply part of how we support one another in what can be a very demanding hobby. Let’s keep the focus on the build, the research, and the shared knowledge, and just as importantly, on maintaining a respectful and appreciative atmosphere.

We’re all better off for it.

 

[Daniel20]

Paul, as a longtime admirer of your work I personally enjoyed the discussion you began with the question of how to interpret the plans. I believe there was a collective sigh of relief when you decided to stay and post and NOT walk away. If your detractor reads these last few posts and does not feel ashamed of him/herself then that person sadly had no shame to begin with. All I can say is thank you for sharing your work and please keep it coming.

 

[dockattner]

Onward we go.

My dear friends... In many ways I regret sharing some of my frustration so openly with you yesterday. The exchange I was referencing was a personal communication between me and another member. Thankfully I did not identify that member here and merely plucked a few words from his messages rather than quoting openly. My defense is weak: I was really, really mad after going back and forth with this gentleman over the course of several hours. He simply refused to accept that I was thankful for him rather than dismissive.

BUT, your outpouring of support has been a joy to read. You represent the best that social media can be if we allow courtesy and kindness to be the first option we choose in our interactions with others.

I'll respond personally to your posts. As for now: onward we go with model ship building.

 

[dockattner]

Як хтось сказав на змаганнях по судомоделізму: "Чтобы не было жу-жу, делай все по чертежу"
As someone said at a ship modeling competition: "To avoid any noise, do everything according to the blueprint"

Good advice my friend. I shall follow it.