Medieval Spanish Coca - AMATI 1:60 [COMPLETED BUILD]

[Pathfinder65]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

I just worked my way through your wonderful build log. Very interesting and educational. Your attention to details is astonishing.

Jan

 

[Michiel de Ruyter]

Simply beautiful, Rodolfo! Tell us more about your latest "creature" please.

Dear Heinrich, dear modeling friends,
unfortunately, I like model making in almost all forms: ships, planes, trains and motorcycles.
One lifetime is not enough for me to finish all the models I have in progress (and my daughter is not interested, unfortunately).
I have found that pursuing different forms of modeling broadens knowledge, both historical and practical, and culture benefits.
For example, the world of military modeling, with its dioramas, vehicles, personnel portrayed in many different situations with the greatest attention to detail, wheaterin and aging, can be a great source of inspiration.
About my "creature" and its little sister, I started from a very good industrial base (Rivarossi) by remedying some defects and improving some details. I described the work done unfortunately in Italian and now it would require too much space to transpose it here (which is not even the right place), but if you do not know Italian, the numerous figures help a lot. The starting problem was the impossibility of opening the models to carry out normal maintenance due to dynamic vehicles (lubrication, cleaning, changing bulbs, and so on):

Le locomotive FS Gr.835 nel modellismo Modellismo ChimicaOne

Descrizione di due locomotive modello Gr.835 della Rivarossi, con esame del loro funzionamento e manutenzione.

www.chimicaone.it

An example of building railcars that until recently was not industrially produced might be this (modification of an existing but incorrect one and building a new one from two wagons):

Il carro tipo FF (ex EE, poi Ghks, Ghkrs) delle F.S. – ChimicaOne

Descrizione del carro tipo FF delle F.S. (poi Ghkrs) e sua costruzione modellistica tramite modifica di un carro ROCO o Kitbashing.

www.chimicaone.it

Il carro tipo F delle FS – ChimicaOne

Storia del carro tipo F delle FS, dai primi esemplari delle reti ferroviarie preunitarie al temine della carriera e suoi modelli in scala H0

www.chimicaone.it

Or one could turn a German wagon into an Italian one by appropriately varying colors and inscriptions:

Carro FS tipo Poz. – ChimicaOne

In questo articolo è trattata una brevissima storia del carro FS tipo Poz e la sua costruzione mediante modifiche apportate a un carro tedesco SS15.

www.chimicaone.it

I conclude with a pair of suitably aged German locomotives, the first a little heavier:




and the second lighter:



Always at your disposal for whatever information you need.

Hoping I have not bored you, I cordially greet you and hope to start my brig of the "Symondites" group very soon!

Rodolfo

 

[Uwek]

Hello Rodolfo.
I have a Brig model 1:55 (Briga, Brig, Bergantine Le Brigantin Lawrence).
I bought the kit at Barcelona in 1986, I stopped the assembly at the same year. Since then only the main body was assembled.
At the 24/01/2022 I started again the assembly after 35 years, now that I am retired from work and my kids are at their own.
I have made some progress with the assembly since I resumed the project.
As for your request, I took a photos of two main drawings that I can share with you No. 1 and No. 8.
I can tell you that the original kit was missing a very important drawing No. 2 as well as many other parts. The documentation is unfriendly.
If it will suit your request I can share with you the other drawings as well as thoughts, some difficulties I faced and my experience.
Maybe if your progress will be faster, in return I can ask you for some answers
Good luck
Michel

Hallo @micaf
we wish you all the BEST and a HAPPY BIRTHDAY

 

[Michiel de Ruyter]

Hi Rodolfo,
I thank you for your fast reply, yes, I have read the history of the "Brig". The US navy had two "Brig" ships designed by a navy officer during the war between the British and the settlers in America. The design was as a replica of the British "Brig". That is what I understood from that history, the American model come after the British, correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't know about the amount of cannons that the "Brig" was equipped with, the "Brig" Lawrence that I have have only 10 cannons.
During the 35 years (of ship abandoned) I have lost 2 cannons - do you have any ideas how or where can I build or buy similar cannons?
Thank you for the advices, they are very helpful.
And yes, I'll take your advice and I will open a new post in the name "USS LAWRENCE by DIKAR"
Aha, the sawdust is "The air that I breathe"! By the Hollis!
Michel

Hi Michel, how are you?
I've finished a Switzerland locomotive and now I'm thinking to come back building another ship. a brig; in the meanwhile I'll go to explore your USS Lawrence...

 

[Uwek]

Medieval Spanish Coca - AMATI 1:60

Greetings to all the shipbuilders in this forum.

October 2019 I decided to do another attempt in shipbuilding (the first was the Golden Star when I was a boy) and I chose the AMATI's Coca, because:
1) she's very nice and
2) she seems easy (but I realized it wasn't so for me, maybe for other people more skilful).
3) it's not a very common subject.

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One negative aspect is that the documentation about 15th-century ships is very scarce. Actually, as an example, no one knows exactly how the Santa Maria of Columbus was built, which is also more recent.

After examining the plans and looking for images of contemporary boats, I decided to make some changes:

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1) the hawseholes must be moved forward.
2) the yellow marked area will be "clinker working".
3) the upper beams will have a smaller section, differently positioned and will be more numerous.
4) the lower beams will be more numerous and differently positioned.
5) some wales will be differently positioned and one more (5) will be added.
6) the frames and the bulwark stanchions will be more numerous.
8) stern deck extended (in yellow).
7) the rigging will be totally changed, following that of the Nao of Matarò at:

https://www.modelships.de/Museums_and_replicas/Maritiem_Museum_Rotterdam/Photos_Mataro_model.htm​

The Nao of Matarò is considered the forerunner of all constructions of this type, even if it was an ex-voto and perhaps not a faithful model of the prototype.

See you soon,

Rodolfo

Hallo @Michiel de Ruyter
we wish you all the BEST and a HAPPY BIRTHDAY

 

[Michiel de Ruyter]

Dear friends,
after some years I have discovered a mistake in my construction of the cathead: the cable starts from the crane, goes to the anchor and comes back inside the ship's bulwark. It is also a logical path, requiring less effort to set the anchor:
This photo shows the cathead in the model of Martinez-Hidalgo's Santa Maria which is in the Maritime Museum in Barcelona and is extracted from “THE SHIPS OF CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS” by Xavier Pastor. I thought I have to communicate this so that those who are faced with similar models will not fall into my mistake.
On the other hand, the same object in the Matarò Cocca is structured in this way:


You can observe that the sheave is much higher up in comparison with the Martinez-Hidalgo model, so the cable was probably fixed in the lower part of the castle and not on the crane itself.
Consequently, there are at least two possible solutions.

Good work to you all!

Rodolfo