Vasa - 1:65 DeAgostini [COMPLETED BUILD]

I miss working on this model
You can borrow Kurt's @DARIVS ARCHITECTVS kitten, and...you may be very well working on your VASA again! :cool: But this time, I would have a new build log and call it: Vasa - 1:65 DeAgostini, Grand Restoration! :p :p :D :D :D
 
You can borrow Kurt's @DARIVS ARCHITECTVS kitten, and...you may be very well working on your VASA again! :cool: But this time, I would have a new build log and call it: Vasa - 1:65 DeAgostini, Grand Restoration! :p :p :D :D :D
No kidding. Kraken-Kitty will definitely set you back and keep you busy! :D

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This is such an incredible album, Paul, and an amazing opportunity to really dig-in! The details are astounding. I get a lot of credit for my paint work, but yours is off the charts! There is so much subtle layering of colors and tiny picked-out details, and wash-work that lends depth to the individual carvings. It is all so vivid and remarkable. The woodwork is impeccable, as is the masting, rigging and sail making. I frequently direct people to your model because, like Nek0, there is such a precocious demonstration of raw talent and rigorous devotion to a certain standard of excellence. It is simply incredible that this is your first ship model, ever.
 
If you ask this question ten modelers, you will get 12 opinion. and the answers are very subjective, based on everybody experience.
I am personally using on 99% of the cases water based wood glue. Here in Germany / Austria the standard is Ponal Express, which is drying in 5 minutes (really strong after 15 minutes - my experience)
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but also Tidebond is offering different types with different periods of drying
I think Tidebond I Classic is often used
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I'm another user of Ponal Express, but when I've used mine up I suspect there'll be a problem with supply to UK! But that's a 'bridge to cross' when the time comes. I use it on deck planking mostly.
 
Paul,
I very rarely articulate using superlatives - as you know - I'm (was) also a Vasa fanatic, and I have seen so many examples as I was working on mine.
Yours is by far the absolute BEST example that I have ever seen - many were very close, but....
Huge congratulations. If you have the energy to do so - this example could/would win many prizes if you were to place it in competitions.
You could even send it to Stockholm - it could be displayed next to the 1/10th hahaha.....

Cheers,
 
Paul,
I very rarely articulate using superlatives - as you know - I'm (was) also a Vasa fanatic, and I have seen so many examples as I was working on mine.
Yours is by far the absolute BEST example that I have ever seen - many were very close, but....
Huge congratulations. If you have the energy to do so - this example could/would win many prizes if you were to place it in competitions.
You could even send it to Stockholm - it could be displayed next to the 1/10th hahaha.....

Cheers,
So very true, oldflyer. Paul's humility will probably not allow him to enter it into a contest. Instead, he will have to continue listening to congratulations from each one of us, plus baby kraken.
 
Paul,
I very rarely articulate using superlatives - as you know - I'm (was) also a Vasa fanatic, and I have seen so many examples as I was working on mine.
Yours is by far the absolute BEST example that I have ever seen - many were very close, but....
Huge congratulations. If you have the energy to do so - this example could/would win many prizes if you were to place it in competitions.
You could even send it to Stockholm - it could be displayed next to the 1/10th hahaha.....

Cheers,
Thanks Michael (John) - you are far too generous with your review of my work - but I am appreciative nonetheless. As you know - building a ship of this size is a multi-year endeavor and only someone who has attempted it can truly 'feel the pain' - and with it - a great sense of accomplishment.
 
Just remember to use a conditioner for soft woods, pine especially if you are going to stain the wood. The conditioner will prevent "splotching," to occur when you stain the wood. Also, if you choose to use a vanish or lacquer on your ship remember not to use "steel wool" for polishing, especially on oak. Oak has acids in the wood, and the fibers from the steel wool tend to get caught in the oak and cause rust spots!
 
Warning: this post is only for someone who is interested in what I learned doing ratlines thus far. It will not be edifying (or even of passing interest) to anyone else. If you do not give a flyer about an amateur's perspective on the challenge of ratlining, I suggest you just skip it in the hope that I will post something worthwhile in the future. And that is what I have to say on that. :p

Today's Entry: A Beginners Guide to Doing Ratlines.

And I don't merely mean FOR beginners, as much as I mean BY a beginner. One of my stated goals when I began this build log was to share the journey of an inexperienced builder as he encountered things that more experienced builders considered ordinary. I wanted to work through "everyone knows how to do that" wearing the shoes of "actually, I have no idea how to do that."

Early on in this build log I was able to share several (many?) of those experiences with you. But as I increasingly departed from the kit instructions, I encountered fewer opportunities to share. But doing ratlines is something many of us have or will encounter, so here are the things I have learned thus far offered in the hope that maybe there's a pearl for someone buried within.

A disclaimer: this is being written by someone who has done ratlines on a whopping total of TWO shroud sets. Arrogance? Foolishness?

A Beginners Guide

Watch a You Tube video or two. It's easier to watch someone tie a clove hitch than it is to read about it from a book...​

First of all, your shrouds need to be SNUG or you will get yourself into all kinds of trouble trying to keep them straight while installing ratlines. It became clear early on that some of my shroud lines were too loose and this made things harder than it needed to be.

At each vertical station (at each ratline run) it is good to start with a length of line about twice the width of the shroud set - perhaps a bit less down low and certainly a bit more near the top.

It is called 'rattling down' but I rattled UP. I found it was easier to establish my horizontal orientation at the broader base than at the narrower top (I already had my futtock stave parallel to my channel - or nearly so).

I chose to loosely follow the line of the channel (but cheated a bit in the direction of the waterline) for the run of my ratlines. This has been discussed on other build logs and if I have it wrong, I am in good company.

It seemed logical to me to work from left to right because I tied each individual clove hitch from the top down (first time around the shroud was higher than second time around the shroud). I have seen others tie the clove hitch from bottom up so they tend to move from right to left. I tried both.

Most people (except for the superhuman archjofo) do not attempt to splice the ends, instead they use a simple overhand knot. The Vasa museum peeps suggested that a clove hitch was appropriate at the most fore and aft shrouds so that's what I did.

It is common to use a white paper background with horizontal lines drawn on it. I tried that but it didn't work for me (paper kept moving, shrouds got pulled out of vertical, ratlines wavered up and down). Kurt's batten strips solved all these problems perfectly and I will continue to do it that way. Note: I still put blank white paper behind the shroud so I could see what I was doing - there is too much visual background noise otherwise.

The only tool I used was a really high-quality curved tip pointy tweezers. You need one that will hold the line securely. I tried using a tweezers in each hand but that was a comedy of fumbles and dropped lines. Using the fingers of my 'off' hand was much better for me.

Troubleshooting
DO NOT GLUE ANYTHING UNTIL YOU HAVE RUN ALL RATLINES FOR A SHROUD SET. Even if you think you have just run the perfect line do not glue it in place. Do not glue the end where you are starting. Do not glue the end where you are finishing. Do not believe the malevolent people who tell you it is OK to glue things along the way. They do not have your best interests in mind. Indeed, they want to see you suffer and then sell them your kit at a deeply discounted price. They are the spawn of Lucifer and deserve nothing but your contempt (present readership excluded unless you are guilty of perpetrating this heinous crime against shipbuilding humanity - may God be merciful on your souls).

WOW! Not sure where that came from...

The most fore and aft shrouds are vulnerable to being pulled in toward the center. This looks bad and is hard to avoid. The sandpaper lined battens help, as does having a snug shroud (no, that is not code for something - and you are a sick puppy for wondering) but neither alone will prevent this from happening. You must notice that the outer shrouds are getting pulled in AS IT IS HAPPENING and take corrective action before running the next ratline otherwise you will 'institutionalize' your mistake and end up needing to go back and re-doing an entire side.

Take care along the way to keep all lines running at your preferred horizontal. It is easy to start tipping up or down.

Once you have completed all of the ratlines for a shroud set you are roughly 2/3rds the way done. Now, because you were so clever as to NOT HAVE GLUED ANYTHING in place, you have an opportunity to go back and clean things up. Even though you were doing your best work with each clove hitch trying to do everything just so - the lines above and below influence each another and you need to solve that problem. Some of the shrouds have been pulled too close - other ratlines are sagging too much.

Here is my approach to cleaning up...

Begin with the obvious problem areas. Just look at the whole thing in total and notice what needs to be corrected and adjust the big flaws before trying to get super detailed.

Once the big stuff has been dealt with then I chose to work from the bottom up and from the center out. So, on the lowest ratlines I started in the center and adjusted knots and shrouds so that the shroud was vertically straight and the ratline was level (or slightly drooped).

This is harder than it sounds because a clove hitch tightens on itself when you try to move anything laterally. My solution was to use my tweezers and slide the knot UP AND DOWN on the shroud to loosen the clove hitch. Sometimes just doing that allowed things to get better. Other times (after loosening the clove hitch) I would need to actively move either the shroud or the ratline. Oh, my ropes are poly and I have no idea if my approach works with other rope types.

Anyway, I worked from the center all the way to the left, fixing each shroud interval and ratline as needed - and then did the same from the center to the right. Having completed one line I still resisted the urge to glue anything in place - and went up a few more ratlines before going back and only gluing the ends (I used CA for this).

Eventually you will make your way through the entire shroud set and all of the ends have been glued. Now you can refine one more time if you have it in you but at some point it all becomes silly.


So, that is what I have learned thus far. If you have things you can add from your experience let 'er rip. It's not like this build log will get long or anything like that...

Working my way from the bottom up - center out:

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Getting very close now:

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Lower main finished on both sides:

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See, I told you to just skip this post. That's 5 minutes of your life you will never get back ROTF.
I, too, used a card behind my shrouds when rigging them on my three previous ships with one addition. I measured and set a reasonable distance between each horizontal line, drew them on the card taking care not to draw lines where there are none (usually first two or three shrouds and the last two or three). This helped me keep things in perspective. I, too, did not glue my clove hitches until I was happy with the look. I also made an effort to add some sag between each shroud as I tied successive knots.
 
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