VOC ship The Prins Willem (scale 1:75) Year 1651

[DARIVS ARCHITECTVS]

Thanks Peter. I was just thinking about the helmet. Did these Romans got a helmet or a freedom cap like the smurf's (smurven)

Warrior head found of Dutch 17th century ship.

https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/587203314/museumwereld-in-rep-en-roer-na-vondst-uniek-beeld-in-waddenzee

shipsofscale.com

The Romans wore a gallus after Marius's reforms of the military equipment standards. It originated in Gaul (France). The soldier on the right below is me at a reenactment. I made Roman and medieval armor and weapons for years. @Steef66, your carving is excellent! Did the heads on the ship model even have helmets?

 

[Steef66]

That is one mean-looking warrior Stephan. Excellent carving work again!

Thanks my friend

Very good carving - looking very good
Maybe you should make the roman soldiers during a break without wearing the helmet
it is looking very complicated to make in carving
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Thanks Uwe

The Romans wore a gallus after Mario's reforms of the military equipment standards. It originated in Gaul (France). The soldier on the right below is me at a reenactment. I made Roman and medieval armor and weapons for years. @Steef66, your carving is excellent! Did the heads on the ship model even have helmets?

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Thanks Kurt

The problem on Dutch ships are these Roman warriors, mostly they show not a standaard Roman Warrior like you both show. But more like the freedom warriors of the 16th century. With a Phrygian Cap (Smurfs cap)
Or like the warrior found in the Waddenzee near the Dutch coast. I think that it should be like that. Maybe @Ab Hoving knows the answer.
Below the link about these caps

Phrygian cap - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Tobias]

Hello Stephan the carving result is super I envy you for this art.

 

[Steef66]

Hello Stephan the carving result is super I envy you for this art.

Thanks Tobias, I envy your skills in shipbuilding. I hope to reach your level once. And carving isn't difficult, just patience and a good drill with cutters

 

[Tobias]

You make me blush Stephan, I am a complete beginner, thank you very much. Despite all this, I have the utmost respect for the carvings.

 

[Jimsky]

Wow! Hidden carving talent! This one is really good! Applaud, mon ami!

 

[Herman]

Superb carving Stephan. I think you have caught the right sturdy expression. It brings it to life. Admirable work

 

[Maarten]

Wonderfull work Stephan, I would go for the Roman helmet. The Rijksmuseum is contemporary so would be the leading example.

See below the roman on the replica after the unfortunate fire.


And on the museum model.

 

[Steef66]

@Jimsky @Herman many thanks for your compliments.

@Maarten also thanks..
The replica have helmets but the museummodel looks a little like a Phrygian Cap. I'm gonna sleep a night over it and try something how that looks

 

[DARIVS ARCHITECTVS]

Thanks my friend


Thanks Uwe


Thanks Kurt

The problem on Dutch ships are these Roman warriors, mostly they show not a standaard Roman Warrior like you both show. But more like the freedom warriors of the 16th century. With a Phrygian Cap (Smurfs cap)
Or like the warrior found in the Waddenzee near the Dutch coast. I think that it should be like that. Maybe @Ab Hoving knows the answer.
Below the link about these caps

Phrygian cap - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

That's very interesting!

 

[dockattner]

Wonderfull work Stephan, I would go for the Roman helmet. The Rijksmuseum is contemporary so would be the leading example.

See below the roman on the replica after the unfortunate fire.
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And on the museum model.
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Here, also, some poor photos from the Rijksmuseum:

 

[Steef66]

Thanks, I will study them

 

[Steef66]

@All thanks for the input and all the likes, they are appreciated.
I found these 2 pictures


it looks like a .....



Is it a helmet?

In my search of the Phrygian cap, you see a lot of strange pictures. But sometimes you think: "poor women in Pompeii"



This morning I started with the looks of the eyes and tried something with the cap. (Don't worry, needed to bring some relief in the head to get some Fimo clay in it to get a better helmet, the original is to small )



Not bad, but......

Update later

 

[dockattner]

So impressed with your carving skills! Looks like you are using a rotary carver?

 

[Steef66]

So impressed with your carving skills! Looks like you are using a rotary carver?

Thanks Paul, yes and tiny chisels to scrap and cut. The rotary tool I use is this one:

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with lots of different types of these mills

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The sphere one I got in 0,3 - 0,5 - 0,9 The complete set like in the link.

I gave the other one also a face and beard



And because they are warriors, a STAREDOWN

 

[Uwek]

Bravo - the two are twins - very good work

 

[Steef66]

Thanks again for the likes and comments to my log.

The helmets are ready and I did a dry fit of the 2 heads. Now I have to clean the mounting surface of old glue and paint the heads. Still a lot of work to do.

When the old glue is gone they fit better in their place like before.

 

[Steef66]

Because all the other ornaments are painted, these need to be painted too. My next ship, when my carving skills are better so I don't have to correct with polymer, I leave them in the wood colour. But this time I can train also my painting skills.
So enjoy the pictures of the finished Roman warriors.



On problem when you reshape the old ornaments, the rest will look real ugly and asking to go through the same treatment.



The reason I didn't choose for the Phrygian cap but for a helmet is, that in my research I didn't found any Roman Warriors with this cap, just slaves and freedom warriors against the Romans.
Thanks to following and watch my work, what comes next.... we will see

 

[Uwek]

....the rest will look real ugly and asking to go through the same treatment.
........what comes next.... we will see

I ewould not say "ugly" - maybe "simplier"
but we can see the improvement of your carving skills
Very good work - congratulations

 

[DARIVS ARCHITECTVS]

VERY nice work!