L’Hermione La Fayette 1:89 (New kit) - Artesania Latina

[Wander]

Build Log #1: Part 1, L’Hermione La Fayette - Unboxing & Wood.

So, we begin! My first ship since 2009, when I completed the old Hermione kit from AL. Suffice it to say I was much younger then and I simply ‘winged it’!
Built the whole model in 5 months doing 9 hours a day. (Interestingly, the instructions booklet missed a lot of steps so no wonder. The new instructions are in CD, writable, and much clearer).

Also, this is my first build log! Bear with me, I’m learning


Unboxing the kit it becomes apparent how AL has opted for cheeper woods (probably due to the ship being painted). Still, I miss the variety of colours and woods.

Plywood laser cut elements.


Same mono-colour scheme for the spars and planks.

 

[Wander]

Build Log #1: Part 2, L’Hermione La Fayette - Second Deck.

In modeling I feel it is important to be true-to-life (accurate) but at the same time not to overdo it. in this case, the instructions say to cover the second deck with strips of veneer, sand down, then ‘add’ the planking details by pencil. I find this a lazy step.

So I’m cutting my own planks and individually gluing them to position. It’s a time-consuming process but the result is worth it.

Planks.


Planking the deck.




Is this the typical type of thing one does on these ‘simpler’ models, or am I over-engineering it a bit?

 

[Uwek]

Many Thanks for starting the building log - and you are doing it very good - informative and showing your work and way

Interesting to read also, that with the years AL changed most of the wood into plywood sheets, which are painted later on. Unfortunately this is a way some of the manufacturers are going..... unfortunately

Off course the real ship was on most of the parts painted, see the photo report of my visit on the real replica

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refering to your deck planking:
It is realy a question of taste and possibilities how to make the deck planking, and often it depends on the available material.
I am personally not plank the deck without takeing the openings in the deck, like the hatches , deck houses etc. into account. Maybe you can take a look at this post, where we discussed the planking pattern. in the forum you can find a lot information about pattern, butt joints, treenailing etc.

OCCRE Albatros : 2nd ship

Got started on my 2nd build, the OCCRE Albatros. I'm hoping to lean from my (many) mistakes on my 1st build of OCCRE's Polaris. :) Got the skeleton squared up and put together. Also got the deck planked and sanded. Going to line out the planking (still deciding on a pattern) this week...

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But definitely do not make the planks too short. planks had a maximum length of up too 7 to 9 meter in real, so in your scale 1:89 it would be 8 or 9 centimeter long strips.... up too. in scale 1:89 I would not do any treenailing, because they would be definitely out of scale, but the butt joints are worth to make. (my personal opinion)

I know..... so much information in the beginning, but if you want to "In modeling I feel it is important to be true-to-life (accurate) but at the same time not to overdo it." it is worth to do it. Check also other building logs of the Hermione, or other similar ships ......

 

[Wander]

Many Thanks for starting the building log - and you are doing it very good - informative and showing your work and way

Interesting to read also, that with the years AL changed most of the wood into plywood sheets, which are painted later on. Unfortunately this is a way some of the manufacturers are going..... unfortunately

Off course the real ship was on most of the parts painted, see the photo report of my visit on the real replica

Hermione - a 32-gun Concorde-class frigate fitted for 12-pounder guns - dockyards of Rochefort, France

During the visit of the modelers event in Rochefort I had the chance to visit also the frigate Hermione in the docks of Rochefort. In the first post you can find a short description, following the photos I made during my visit....if questions, please do not hesitate to ask photo by Uwe From...

shipsofscale.com

Maybe also some information in this toipic can help you later on

Planset review - HERMIONE - 12-Pdr frigate of the American War of Independence 1779-1793" in scale 1:48 by JC Lemineur

PLanset Review: HERMIONE 12-Pdr frigate of the American War of Independence 1779-1793 in scale 1:48 by Jean Claude Lemineur with assistance by Patrick Villiers Translated by François Fougerat This monographie is available from ancre in different languages, which can be choosen -...

shipsofscale.com

refering to your deck planking:
It is realy a question of taste and possibilities how to make the deck planking, and often it depends on the available material.
I am personally not plank the deck without takeing the openings in the deck, like the hatches , deck houses etc. into account. Maybe you can take a look at this post, where we discussed the planking pattern. in the forum you can find a lot information about pattern, butt joints, treenailing etc.

OCCRE Albatros : 2nd ship

Got started on my 2nd build, the OCCRE Albatros. I'm hoping to lean from my (many) mistakes on my 1st build of OCCRE's Polaris. :) Got the skeleton squared up and put together. Also got the deck planked and sanded. Going to line out the planking (still deciding on a pattern) this week...

shipsofscale.com

But definitely do not make the planks too short. planks had a maximum length of up too 7 to 9 meter in real, so in your scale 1:89 it would be 8 or 9 centimeter long strips.... up too. in scale 1:89 I would not do any treenailing, because they would be definitely out of scale, but the butt joints are worth to make. (my personal opinion)

I know..... so much information in the beginning, but if you want to "In modeling I feel it is important to be true-to-life (accurate) but at the same time not to overdo it." it is worth to do it. Check also other building logs of the Hermione, or other similar ships ......

Such valuable information! Thanks Uwe.

It is true that navies painted their ships, and if the P. O'B novels are accurate, then they even repainted when out on sea. Of course, no paint looks better, than good quality wood! My first Hermione I did not paint, just stained here and there.

As to the plank lengths... Oh my they are far too short then! I'll either leave it as is or redo it.

 

[WojtasS]

Good luck with your build. Do you plan to paint it in modern day replica colors(blue-yellow-black-white)? If not there's more "classic" wersion of painting. This one has copperd hull but it doesn't matter.

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[GrantTyler]

Such valuable information! Thanks Uwe.

It is true that navies painted their ships, and if the P. O'B novels are accurate, then they even repainted when out on sea. Of course, no paint looks better, than good quality wood! My first Hermione I did not paint, just stained here and there.

As to the plank lengths... Oh my they are far too short then! I'll either leave it as is or redo it.

Welcome Wander. Look forward to seeing your build. Cheers Grant

 

[Wander]

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Good luck with your build. Do you plan to paint it in modern day replica colors(blue-yellow-black-white)? If not there's more "classic" wersion of painting. This one has copperd hull but it doesn't matter.

Model La Belle Poule (1:96) - Shipyard - Kartonowki.pl

Kartonowki.pl - Internetowy Klub Modelarzy Kartonowych

www.kartonowki.pl

Jacek_m - La Belle Poule 1765 | Fotosik.pl

Fotosik.pl to idealne miejsce na Twoje zdjęcia i realizowanie pasji fotografią.

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This is an interesting question, and certainly, one that I pondered over and over.
I finally opted for the current look (and even got the paint set from AL), so it will be the Bold and the Beautiful .

I also got the metal figures for Hermione, to add "realness and scale". Coming from plastic models (tanks, planes, etc.,), a model's scale, and the size of the thing, is clear when there are human figures added.

I need to say that in principle, and in my opinion (not bashing anyone), I do not like painting wood. Plastic can be painted to look like wood, but wood shouldn't be painted. In this case, I'm bending my rule a bit, considering that a) the wood is mainly plywood so not the most aesthetic wood, b) warships were painted and this will probably be the first, and last, wood ship model I'll be painting like this, so might as well make the most of it.

 

[Heinrich]

Also from my side as a South African now living and working in China, a big welcome to SOS and all success with the Hermione. I agree with your sentiments of on not painting a ship and have also steered clear of that on my Willem Barentsz. However, the Hermione is best known for her colors and to keep in character with the replica, it is understandable that you decided to paint her.

 

[Wander]

Lower deck done, not happy with how the centre join came out.

But, having been made aware of my too short planks by Uwek I rechecked the instructions, which indicates 68mm long planks. They definitely look way better.









According to reference photos of the Hermione’s decks, the treenails are not visible. So I opted for realism vs the awe factor. Hence the lack of ‘dots’.

 

[doansch]

Hello, me too I have started this model a year ago working on it part time. But I decided to make some changes from the box model and use pearwood, ebony and boxwood instead of the wood from the kit. I also use only one colour, the red paint. Anddecided to built the rear castle the way it probably was on the real Hermione of 1781 instead of the strange one of the 1997 rebuilt. The rebuilt is based on the sistership la Concorde who's plan are at the Greenwich Museum. So here is where I am so far...

 

[Wander]

Nice work @doansch! Thanks for sharing. I hope mine looks half as good as yours when it's done.

 

[Wander]

Build Log #1: Part 3, L’Hermione La Fayette - Planking the hull.

The hull framework is complete, and the first planking is done! The top deck dry fitted as reference for the planking.

 

[Nomad]

Lower deck done, not happy with how the centre join came out.

But, having been made aware of my too short planks by Uwek I rechecked the instructions, which indicates 68mm long planks. They definitely look way better.

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According to reference photos of the Hermione’s decks, the treenails are not visible. So I opted for realism vs the awe factor. Hence the lack of ‘dots’.

Looks like you're off to a cracking start Wander. I have also pulled up a chair and will follow your progress with interest, good luck

 

[Uwek]

you are on a good way - accurate work, well done

 

[Wander]

you are on a good way - accurate work, well done

Thank you Uwek, appreciate that!

 

[GrantTyler]

Build Log #1: Part 3, L’Hermione La Fayette - Planking the hull.

The hull framework is complete, and the first planking is done! The top deck dry fitted as reference for the planking.

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Good evening Wander- off to a great start. Prepare your hull: fairing, lining and plank plan and then take your time on each plank to fit your plan. Each plank is a project all on its own. Cheers Grant

 

[Wander]

Good evening Wander- off to a great start. Prepare your hull: fairing, lining and plank plan and then take your time on each plank to fit your plan. Each plank is a project all on its own. Cheers Grant

Hi Grant. True words! This is exactly what I find when I handle a plank. I am forever finding myself having to squash that impulse to "just glue it".

 

[dockattner]

Hi Grant. True words! This is exactly what I find when I handle a plank. I am forever finding myself having to squash that impulse to "just glue it".

Just glue it must always be preceded by about an hour of lovingly caressing it into shape ...

 

[Wander]

Just glue it must always be preceded by about an hour of lovingly caressing it into shape ...

Can never argue with caressing

For interest sake, what planking tools do you fellas use?

 

[Wander]

Upper planking done.





It so happened during a particularly tough negotiation with a plank, that I used superglue to fix it.

It worked so well that 28 planks later I realise I only used superglue. This is a facepalm moment.

Have I dug myself into a hole or should I just continue and remember to use wood glue as well?