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HMS Agamemnon by Caldercraft

Phone John at Caldercraft +44 1905 776073
This is the number from their old place in Worcestershire but appear to be the contact now theve moved
Thx Richard,
The move explains a lot. After receiving the kit, I sent an email with the kit serial number and never received a response. Do you happen to have an email address?
Marc
 
Maybe try soaking it for a while first, then temporarily clamp it in place and hit it with a hot air gun to heat and dry it. It should hold its shape against the adjacent strake of planking.

Allan

Now here's one that will likely make me look like a pain in the arse, but strictly as an FYI for anyone interested. The rabbet along the keel ends short of the stern post. I doubt 1 person in 10,000 will notice/care but for anyone interested.....


Rabbet ends at station 20 on Agamemnon. Ending somewhere short of the post was the norm, at least in most of the 18th and 19th centuries, but I haven't the slightest idea why they did this. The only information I could find was this AI description:
In British ships of war (and traditional wooden shipbuilding in general), the rabbet of the keels, a groove cut into the keel to accommodate the planking, would stop forward of the sternpost. This construction method ensured the keel and the sternpost could be properly joined

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Dear Allan,

Learned something useful again! Where did the Rabbet stop at the bow?

I have a reservation.
We're dealing with a double-planked model here.
Suppose I stopped the Rabbet at 20. Then I need to glue two strips, each 1.5 mm thick (3 mm total!) to the keel? And then sand it?

Cheers,

Marc
 
Where did the Rabbet stop at the bow?
Hi Marc,
As far as I have seen it never stops at the bow, but rather follows the line of the keel to the boxing joint, onto the stem and up to the top of the stem. This is usually shown clearly on inboard profile plans.

I might have asked before, and apologize if I already did..... do you have all the RMG Agamemnon drawings in high resolution downloaded? I would attach them but the ones I have total 366 MB
Allan
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As you are now into the planking of the hull, another thing to consider is the taper of the thickness of the wales. If the model is to be double planked it may be more difficult to do this, but the wales taper to the same thickness as the surrounding planking starting at about the hawse pieces so they seat in the rabbet the same as the other planking. They did not stick out like we sometimes see on modern models.

Model forgetting proper tapering of the wales thickness.
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So, the first planking is in place.

I just did my first very light sanding with coarse sandpaper. And I've noticed I don't really need to use any wood filler...
After all, if I noticed a small gap between two strips while planking, I immediately filled it with CA glue and then lightly sanded over the glue. This allowed the sawdust to blend into the gap, giving me a nice, finished look ;)

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I deviated from the building instructions.
Normally, you would plank this section of the Stern directly with 1 x 3mm walnut strips. However, I decided to first install 1x3mm limewood strips, and later the 1x3mm walnut strips. This allows me to better fit the strips onto the Hull strips and allows me to sand them down a bit more if necessary. Naturally, it also provides a stronger base for gluing the walnut strips.

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In looking at photos of contemporary models, I agree with Iutar that many/most seem to have the door flush with the decking. But, there may be exceptions. The below seems to have the door above the deck or perhaps it is a stop like in the sketch below.
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I don't understand. The kit provides a template for marking the gun ports.
Simply place the template on the hull and transfer the "openings" to the Hull. Drill out neatly, and you'll have the gun ports. But the dimensions of the template don't match the other plans.
There's a difference of up to 3 mm...
In the end, I opted to base my measurements on the supplied gun port lids... So, adjust everything!

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But did you measure the inside or the outside of the gunport door ?
Sorry to ask, but what does this mean? If you are talking about the port lids, the outer layer of the lid matches the opening of the port in the hull. The inner layer of the lid is about 3 inches smaller fore and aft, and 1.5 inches smaller up and down so it fits inside the two stops on the sides and the one stop on the bottom of the opening. Can you post a sketch of what you mean?
Thanks Willbor237
Allan

The sketch below shows the outer layer and inner layer of the lid which are the dashed lines on the left drawing. The outer layer would match the opening of the port opening. The outer layer of planking lines up with the hull planking.
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English gun port covers of the second half of the 18th century had a different design. Some cases have been noted already in the first half of the century. Although there are exceptions on some museum models.

Slade's ships have lids without edging.
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