Avro Anson Mk.1 - Plastic by Airfix in 1/48 Scale - Build by Smithy

[Dean62]

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That rule at the top is graduated in millimeters, not inches. Your dots need to go into a 1.7mm space between the spokes.

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And compare the sizes of our index fingers and our wheels - "disregarding scale" indeed.

Now do one my size (and as fragile).

I knew you were shooting a line.

I get it, however your wheel is actually too small for the scale…it could have been 6-7mm in diameter and be ok. And you could still add the bumps. I was demonstrating the technique with what I had and did it in about 30 minutes, as I don’t have a lot of spare time. I am currently building my ship and have the upper galley and 20 cannon carriages I’m working on. Otherwise I would build a wheel at 6mm and demonstrate. And still might…lol…because I like a challenge. I would use a needle point to add the glue. So stay tuned…if I have time this evening I may just give it go… I still think it’s doable.

 

[Smithy]

I still think it’s doable

Good luck with that. And no 3D printing. You’ve got to make it the same way I did for any comparison to be valid. It’s as fragile as a ladybird’s wing so mind how you sand it.

Yes, I said it was a little underscale at the time. Close enough though.

 

[Dean62]

Good luck with that. And no 3D printing. You’ve got to make it the same way I did for any comparison to be valid. It’s as fragile as a ladybird’s wing so mind how you sand it.

Yes, I said it was a little underscale at the time. Close enough though.

I will show the assembly…may use wire…no sanding needed. The material used doesn’t matter if it’s painted…plastic, wood or metal are all good.

 

[Smithy]

I will show the assembly…may use wire…no sanding needed. The material used doesn’t matter if it’s painted…plastic, wood or metal are all good.

Yes it does. We are disputing the possibility of adding bumps to my wheel which I assert is impossible due to its geometry and fragility. You said you could sand it too, I think.

If you make one out of wire, you have a completely different set of circumstances.

Why don’t we just drop it? This piddling contest is spoiling the ambience of my thread and wasting your cannon building time.

I’ll pretend to believe you and you pretend to have won.

 

[Dean62]

Yes it does. We are disputing the possibility of adding bumps to my wheel which I assert is impossible due to its geometry and fragility. You said you could sand it too, I think.

If you make one out of wire, you have a completely different set of circumstances.

Why don’t we just drop it? This piddling contest is spoiling the ambience of the thread.

I’ll pretend to believe you and you pretend to have won.

Well, it’s not about winning, modeling is not a contest to me. I was suggesting a technique to add detail and realism. You claim it’s not possible. And furthermore you want to limit my attempt to using your construction methods.
So let me say this, any criticism I offer is always constructive criticism and not meant to offend anyone.
That said, when I scratch build, nothing is off limits as far as materials and technique. I would consider many approaches. One, build it out of wood and carve from one piece, giving it more structural integrity. Two start with hub and drill holes and add wire, giving it more strength, then glue the handle to the wire. Possibly even use small shielded wire for the handle. Many possibilities and approaches!
The glue added with a needle would be small enough. I think you hurt your chances by making the wheel 4mm instead of 6mm. You could also exaggerate the angle between the spokes to give yourself more room for a longer handle. So many ways to skin a cat!
In closing, I applaud your efforts and what you have is certainly acceptable. However I guarantee you a 6mm wheel could have the bumps added. And the material you add the glue to will not affect the ability to do so whatsoever and you don’t have to sand anything to add bumps either, so fragility does not come into play either.
So just get some magnifying glasses, PVA and a needle! You can do it!
If nothing else, I hope I shared a technique to be used in the future! Cheers mate!

 

[Smithy]

Well, it’s not about winning, modeling is not a contest to me. I was suggesting a technique to add detail and realism. You claim it’s not possible. And furthermore you want to limit my attempt to using your construction methods.
So let me say this, any criticism I offer is always constructive criticism and not meant to offend anyone.
That said, when I scratch build, nothing is off limits as far as materials and technique. I would consider many approaches. One, build it out of wood and carve from one piece, giving it more structural integrity. Two start with hub and drill holes and add wire, giving it more strength, then glue the handle to the wire. Possibly even use small shielded wire for the handle. Many possibilities and approaches!
The glue added with a needle would be small enough. I think you hurt your chances by making the wheel 4mm instead of 6mm. You could also exaggerate the angle between the spokes to give yourself more room for a longer handle. So many ways to skin a cat!
In closing, I applaud your efforts and what you have is certainly acceptable. However I guarantee you a 6mm wheel could have the bumps added. And the material you add the glue to will not affect the ability to do so whatsoever and you don’t have to sand anything to add bumps either, so fragility does not come into play either.
So just get some magnifying glasses, PVA and a needle! You can do it!
If nothing else, I hope I shared a technique to be used in the future! Cheers mate!

Whatever.

 

[Dean62]

Whatever.

Here ya go…I proved it’s possible at 5.5 - 6mm


So now we don’t have to pretend it’s not possible.

 

[Smithy]

Despite my own leading part in the vagabond nature of this thread, I'd like to get the build and log back onto the topic of the model Anson. The last two or three pages have meandered into something that will surely be quite tedious for anyone reading later and not currently involved in the chattering.



Yesterday, in between the gossip, I paid some attention to the model. I've realised that I made a tactical mistake when I decided to postpone seam tidying of the various assembly stages until the end. I've always done this because it's a job that I don't enjoy but the result of my procrastination is that eventually I must tackle a BIG job that I dislike, rather than several small sessions. Fancy only discovering this at the end of a lifetime's modelling. Oh well, the lesson has been learned now, though possibly forgotten later.

That gap in the engine fairing is horrid and clearly inaccurate. Putty is no good for something like that because it always shrinks a little and when sanded, it becomes rounded and just looks a mess. It's also difficult to re-scribe detail into putty and it flakes away at the edges. In short, old-style putty is nasty and I no longer use it at all.



The best thing to fill a big gap in plastic is plastic. I find a suitable thickness of plasticard, slightly larger than the gap, then widen the gap to fit the card perfectly. I apply a drop of TET either side and let it set. This won't shrink. It has structural strength and won't crack. It sands at the same rate as the plastic of the kit and scribes in exactly the same way too.



When it's set, I trim the excess with scissors and sand.



That will do. Excuse the water and dust.



I worked my way around the wings, sanding my self induced misalignment (or was that one Airfix?). The ailerons required a bit of fettling as their housings were affected by the disarranged wing halves. I shaped the ailerons to fit the gap and the gap to fit the ailerons and ended up with something reasonable.



Returning to the gap filling, I tackled the smaller crevices with this type of putty. It's a thick liquid with no grit as you find in old-fashioned putty. It flows into the gaps and then the excess can be immediately wiped away with a moist cotton bud/Q-tip; there's no sanding to do! I moisten my cotton bud with spit because the sliminess of saliva gives a smoother finish. That might be too much information for the faint-hearted.



With conventional putty filing that cranny in the hollow of the wingroot would be a right pain in the neck. With acrylic resin, no problem. It does shrink a tiny bit but on this model in this position on the airframe, I don't care. It's a panel line.



Here's a picture for @Alan Smith . It won't be one of the Ansons that your brother worked on in the 40s but it is one of the Haltom instructional airframes and I thought you might be interested. It's not as tidy as we thought after four years in the hands of the trainees and out in the weather.



And finally... "Hello Popsy. Fnaah fnaah! How about we fly over to Paris for the weekend while your husband is away?"

 

[Namabiiru]

Not sure why you so despise seam-tidying so much when you make it look so effortless.

 

[Smithy]

Not sure why you so despise seam-tidying so much when you make it look so effortless.

Maybe because a seam is a seam is a seam and it seems like there have been so many thousands of them over my career (headlong rush) in plastic. I hate being bored!

 

[Alan Smith]

@ Smithy You remarked about seeing some of the work of former apprentices on your visit to RAF Halton. My brother, who suffered there, was a genius with a file and i am forever grateful he taught me some of the filing skills he learnt there. Apparently one early task was to file a perfect 1" cube from a scrap of round bar, When you had done that you made - with hot metal and a cold chisel - a flat file for yourself, and then used it to re-make your cube into a perfect pyramid with the same height and base size. Mind boggling.

"They made their own micrometers back then while I struggled to hand file a simple brass rectangle to a tolerance of diddley squat. "

 

[Smithy]

Not sure why you so despise seam-tidying so much when you make it look so effortless.

“Despise”? Am I moaning that much? Probably, but that’s due to causes other than modelling. I will endeavour to be more positive.

@ Smithy You remarked about seeing some of the work of former apprentices on your visit to RAF Halton. My brother, who suffered there, was a genius with a file and i am forever grateful he taught me some of the filing skills he learnt there. Apparently one early task was to file a perfect 1" cube from a scrap of round bar, When you had done that you made - with hot metal and a cold chisel - a flat file for yourself, and then used it to re-make your cube into a perfect pyramid with the same height and base size. Mind boggling.

"They made their own micrometers back then while I struggled to hand file a simple brass rectangle to a tolerance of diddley squat. "

Fortunately for me it was being realised by 1974 that such high standards were entirely useless to electricians and our ‘hacking and filing’ training only lasted a month or so. Nevertheless, when I’m building ships I am grateful for that old basic engineering tuition.

 

[Smithy]

Happy Chocolate Holiday to All!

I've spent a couple of sessions on the transparencies with the pleasant result that the model is now looking quite Ansonish. (Turret and engines are not yet attached permanently.)



There's a lot of glass in this bird! Clear polystyrene is always brittle and unforgiving so it's been a time to be careful.



One danger is that the fumes from polystyrene cement might fog these crystal clear windows. I used the minimum of TET but just in case, I made use of forced ventilation from my airbrush for a few minutes.



The fit of these complicated shapes was generally very good, needing only the occasional smear of putty.



The one nasty gap was at the access door. If this was a full effort build I'd never have known as I'd have opened the door for the sake of extra interest. Never mind, I will simply declare that this particular aircraft had a bent door. (if any cowboy out there feels the need to tell me how much better their door would have fitted, please don't trouble yourself, ignore function invoked. )



The turret supplied a bit of drama. The three parts of the transparency are assembled onto the base framework and also glued to each other. Fortunately, I decided to do this in one go so that I could nudge the pieces together for a good fit, before the cement set hard. It went well and I was just about to set it aside to dry when a thought struck me. I took a look and sure enough, I'd glued the perspex to the UNDERNEATH of the turret mechanism. This felt like a disaster for a moment as I pulled the base away but to my delight, the transparency remained solid and I was able to press it into place on the top side of the framing without difficulty.

I'll glue the gun in place after the masking and painting.



I liked this little touch from Airfix which is a pretty good representation of the early forties landing lights. Isn't it horrible seeing these giant enlargements of brush painted details which are absolutely fine at real size!

Masking will be the next big job. I think I mentioned that I'd invested in a pre-cut mask set and I can't tell you how happy that's making me right now. Making 100+ window masks is the plastic aircraft equivalent of gun rigging on a 74.

 

[dockattner]

I made use of forced ventilation from my airbrush for a few minutes.

Clever.

 

[Smithy]

Clever.

I used to blow on them but these days it makes me dizzy.

 

[Daniel20]

I used to blow on them but these days it makes me dizzy.

I have to brace myself at the counter when using my inhaler.

 

[Alan Smith]

I have to brace myself at the counter when using my inhaler.

I thought 'Brace yourself' was an Aussie code word for foreplay.

 

[Smithy]

Bad news for Anson fans. With the majority of the construction finished and the exterior painting stage about to begin, Annie is now at a convenient point for me to take a leave of absence. Le Coquin is calling me. That's almost literally true; I woke suddenly at 02:30 wide eyed and exclaiming "Oh zounds! The Xebec! I should have..."

To find out what I should have done to my boat, and how I plan to sort out the mess, you'll have to follow me from the the skies above Dunkirk to the sunny Mediterranean shores of 1753.