Cross-section of a 17th-century Pinas by Peter

[pingu57]

Good morning Peter. Stunning work. Man I had to look really hard to see tiny errors in the Top timbers. I agree with Paul re the cannon height and his solution. Will make a big difference to the appearance. I love the red colour of your cannons. Cheers Grant

Hello Grant, yes, you and @dockattner are both right, the canons have to be altered a bit, i have been looking around for a bit, and in the digital made Pinas from @Ab Hoving and a few of his colleagues, i made a screen-copy of part of the gun deck, ( i hope i am allowed to share it, if not i will delete it ).



If somebody is interested, the link to the program is: www.witsenscheepsbouw.nl if it has already been mentioned on the forum, my apologies.

But overhere i found that the frontwheels have to be quite a bit larger.

So that is what i am going to do.

The red colour is by the way from the Kolderstok range of colours.

 

[pingu57]

A nice progress and nice pictures, Peter. And changing the wheels is a piece of cake, just like changing the summer/winter tires of your car.
Regards, Peter

Hello Peter, you are right, and the canons wil be rebuilld, the 1,5 millimeter timber wil be removed and the wheels are going to be altered, until the carriage is standing horizontal

 

[pingu57]

Summerstop is over, so i took the crossection of the Pinas back on the table.
After the remark of Paul, ( @dockattner ) about the carriage wheels, i decided to change them, and the cannons now look like this,



When this was done, i placed the remaining top timbers, and i made the last 3 gunports,





And now for the placement of the cannons, this looks a lot better.





I am happy with this, next is placing the galley, with you will see next time.

 

[donfarr]

JUST FANTASTIC WORKMANSHIP A BEAUTY I HOPE MINE TURNS OUT 1/2 OF YOURS JUST SUPBERB. GOD BLESS STAY SAFE ALL DON

 

[GrantTyler]

Summerstop is over, so i took the crossection of the Pinas back on the table.
After the remark of Paul, ( @dockattner ) about the carriage wheels, i decided to change them, and the cannons now look like this,

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When this was done, i placed the remaining top timbers, and i made the last 3 gunports,

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And now for the placement of the cannons, this looks a lot better.

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I am happy with this, next is placing the galley, with you will see next time.

Good morning Peter. Excellent. The cannon is perfectly positioned in relation to the deck and gunport. Cheers Grant.

 

[pingu57]

JUST FANTASTIC WORKMANSHIP A BEAUTY I HOPE MINE TURNS OUT 1/2 OF YOURS JUST SUPBERB. GOD BLESS STAY SAFE ALL DON

Thanks for the compliment Don, don't rush, and take your time to build this crossection, and you make a beauty of it as well Don. God Bless, and stay safe.

Good morning Peter. Excellent. The cannon is perfectly positioned in relation to the deck and gunport. Cheers Grant.

Good afternoon Grant, I am also verry happy with the canons as well, now the frontwheels are a bit higher.
This is looking a lot better.

 

[pingu57]

It has been 2 months, and i stil have some pictures in my camera, so it's time for a small update.
First of all, last time i forgot to post a picture of the open side of the crossection with the wales, so here it is.



After this, i made the stairpost to the hold, and i made the hatch



The hatch is quite simpel, just a raised edge on the binding strakes, and that was also made.



You can also see the spindle step , but in the next picture you can see it better



After this, it was time for the galley, i decided to turn it 45 degrees, so that i can see it, when it is placed in the display case.
But, what is a galley if there is no cooking pot, so a cooking pot had to be made.
I used a thick piece of paper for the pot, and the walls of the galley are temporarily placed, here you see version one.



This pot was to small, so the second version,



This is to big so a third version had to be made.



And that is more like it, thisone has the good size, so this pot had to get a bucket handle with a hook.
in the galley came an iron rod, and the cooking pot got hooked on to it.
The galley on these vessels where quite simple, just a fireplace of bricks, and the rest of the galley was covered with copper sheets, in the model immitated by copper paint.



You can also see that the eye bolts have been placed, i did not wanted to wait until the galley was in place with all the deckbeams.

You might have noticed that there was no picture of the stairpost in place, i forgot to take a picture of it, so this will have to come in the next update, because at this moment i cannot reache the crossection..
When i reached this point, my admiral got quite sick, and at this moment she is back from the hospital, but there is a hospitalbed placed in our room, and since whe live in a rather small house, my crossection is no longer accessible.

Hope to see you again soon.

 

[Peter Voogt]

It has been 2 months, and i stil have some pictures in my camera, so it's time for a small update.
First of all, last time i forgot to post a picture of the open side of the crossection with the wales, so here it is.

View attachment 483608

After this, i made the stairpost to the hold, and i made the hatch

View attachment 483611

The hatch is quite simpel, just a raised edge on the binding strakes, and that was also made.

View attachment 483612

You can also see the spindle step , but in the next picture you can see it better

View attachment 483613

After this, it was time for the galley, i decided to turn it 45 degrees, so that i can see it, when it is placed in the display case.
But, what is a galley if there is no cooking pot, so a cooking pot had to be made.
I used a thick piece of paper for the pot, and the walls of the galley are temporarily placed, here you see version one.

View attachment 483617

This pot was to small, so the second version,

View attachment 483618

This is to big so a third version had to be made.

View attachment 483619

And that is more like it, thisone has the good size, so this pot had to get a bucket handle with a hook.
in the galley came an iron rod, and the cooking pot got hooked on to it.
The galley on these vessels where quite simple, just a fireplace of bricks, and the rest of the galley was covered with copper sheets, in the model immitated by copper paint.
View attachment 483620


You can also see that the eye bolts have been placed, i did not wanted to wait until the galley was in place with all the deckbeams.

You might have noticed that there was no picture of the stairpost in place, i forgot to take a picture of it, so this will have to come in the next update, because at this moment i cannot reache the crossection..
When i reached this point, my admiral got quite sick, and at this moment she is back from the hospital, but there is a hospitalbed placed in our room, and since whe live in a rather small house, my crossection is no longer accessible.

Hope to see you again soon.

Nice to see you back on the yard with a nice update, Peter.
Sometimes there are more important things than model building. Good to hear that she is on the mend. Hopefully a full recovery soon.
Regards, Peter

 

[AllanKP69]

I have no idea what the cooking set up was on Spanish ships, but you may find the following interesting even though they are from 17th century English ships.. Lavery shows these in his book The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War.
Allan

 

[dockattner]

Great to see this update Peter! It is always a pleasure to see your work!

 

[Smithy]

Yes, all of a sudden, you can see that the crossection is not an empty hull

Seeing that happen was lovely. After all of your difficulties at the beginning the model begins to look as though I could walk inside it (crouching slightly ).

I have enjoyed reading through this build log and learned a lot. Thank you.

 

[GrantTyler]

Good morning Peter. So good to see some updates of your quality modelling. I share your "pain", I have had very little shipyard time lately however our little ships have to wait once in a while. I'm sorry to hear about your admiral. I hope she is on her way to recovery. Cheers Grant

 

[dockattner]

I see I missed the bit about your wife. Please care for her well as I pray for her speedy recovery.

 

[pingu57]

Nice to see you back on the yard with a nice update, Peter.
Sometimes there are more important things than model building. Good to hear that she is on the mend. Hopefully a full recovery soon.
Regards, Peter

Peter, thank you for the compliment, and for the welwishes, yes fortunatly she is on the mend, and back home, but she is improving slowly, so there is so little time, and energy left for the building, but one day, everything will return to normal, and i will return.
For now there are just few moments that i can stroll through some of your logs, my apologies for that, i do miss them

 

[pingu57]

I have no idea what the cooking set up was on Spanish ships, but you may find the following interesting even though they are from 17th century English ships.. Lavery shows these in his book The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War.
Allan
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Allan, thank you so much for sharing these pictures, i will see if i can find some pictures of the dutch galley of about 1650

 

[pingu57]

Great to see this update Peter! It is always a pleasure to see your work!

I see I missed the bit about your wife. Please care for her well as I pray for her speedy recovery.

Paul, thank you so much for this compliment, and your well wishes and prayers, i will pass them on to my admiral

 

[pingu57]

Seeing that happen was lovely. After all of your difficulties at the beginning the model begins to look as though I could walk inside it (crouching slightly ).

I have enjoyed reading through this build log and learned a lot. Thank you.

Smithy, i love making this log, and get the comments, ( or corrections ), and i am glad that you enjoy it as well

 

[pingu57]

Good morning Peter. So good to see some updates of your quality modelling. I share your "pain", I have had very little shipyard time lately however our little ships have to wait once in a while. I'm sorry to hear about your admiral. I hope she is on her way to recovery. Cheers Grant

Grant, i am verry happy with your compliments, and well wishes, i will pass them on to my admiral, but you are up for surgery one of these day's? or am i mistaking?

 

[shota70]

Dear Peter
Great to see this update, It is always a pleasure to see your great work

 

[GrantTyler]

Grant, i am verry happy with your compliments, and well wishes, i will pass them on to my admiral, but you are up for surgery one of these day's? or am i mistaking?

Hi Peter. I was supposed to go in, however some work obligations change that. In mean time I have been working with the physio and have a permeant brace. Managing ok and going to give this alternate approach a go to see if I can avoid the knife. Still hobbling around however have had some encouraging improvements. Thanks for asking. Cheers Grant