H.M.S. Surprise by Artesania Latina - Build log

AllanKP69 said:
Sorry to ask, but are you referring to the upper deck or quarter deck? Looking at the contemporary drawings of Rose (aka Surprise) there is no raised portion of the either of these decks, thus my confusion. There is a 2" rise of the QD from 68 inches to 70 inches from the bottom of the QD deck beams to the top of the upper deck planking. https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/search/Rose 1757 Is this what you are referring to? I believe the modern ship for the movie was a 28 gun, but the dimensions would be similar between decks. There is a great high resolution inboard profile drawing of the 28 gun ships of the Active class that is easier to see. It can be found on page 4 in the Wiki Commons site. It is too large to post here. https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/ind...dalupe_(1763),_Carysfort_(1766)_RMG_J6385.png

Thanks Reg.
Allan
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Hello Allan, I'll try to find a photo that I took (years ago) of the ship, docked, which shows the two step raised section that I'm refered to - that the A.L. kit does not have (and these drawings do not show either). Thank you for sending them! The kit has 42 cannons (26 on the gun deck and 16 on the top deck) so it doesn't match these plans either.
 
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Top deck has hundreds of bits (details). Slow going, but I'm enjoying it!
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The kit also positions the steering gear aft of the mizzen mast. This position does match one of the drawings of the original ship that I have found.

So I made the wheels out of wood, but I still need to sand the thickness down significantly..
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... and I made the wheel support with lateral support included. Not perfect, but a bit
more accurate than the kit post.

The deck details are coming along...
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RegW said:
Top deck has hundreds of bits (details). Slow going, but I'm enjoying it!
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The kit also positions the steering gear aft of the mizzen mast. This position does match one of the drawings of the original ship that I have found.

So I made the wheels out of wood, but I still need to sand the thickness down significantly..
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... and I made the wheel support with lateral support included. Not perfect, but a bit
more accurate than the kit post.

The deck details are coming along...
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Good morning Reg. This looks really good. Cheers Grant
 
Took a break from deck detail woodworking and attempted to model the figurehead to match the ship as docked in San Diego...

Kit supplied Figurehead (Front and Side Views) is a metal lump of crap.
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Learning to model organic items in 3D has been a test for me, so I refer to the following
actual ship figurehead images..
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My model during build (in Blender)..
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And after test print and paint...
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So I changed her helmet (always liked the Spartan uniform), and sword, but failed to model hair. Shrug. This model took
me ages! Might even look more like the actual than what the kit provided. Some details that I modelled did not print
at this size (resolution). Huge learning curve for me.
 
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I have avoided using paint on most of the ships surfaces, with the exception of the stern decorative details.
I like the wood grain showing, so I've selected 5 semi-transparent stain colours to finish most of the surfaces.

The top rail and the lower hull will have 5 coats of satin spar varnish. I've masked the top rail here, and will
commence the varnishing. 24 hours between coats, so I'll not post an update for a week or so...

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The top rail walnut strip that is supplied in the kit has a very course grain. I've sanded it down to 600 grit prior to
applying the stain. After 5 coats of varnish it will look acceptable and the grain will shine through. I hope.

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Your workmanship continues to impress and it is great to see you not settling concerning the figurehead. Kudos!
RegW said:
Kit supplied Figurehead (Front and Side Views) is a metal lump of crap.
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And thanks for your honest appraisal!
In addition to the raised deck discussion that you pointed out earlier, I am wondering about the extremely bluff bow. It may just be the angle of the photos but it seems the kit has it a bit exaggerated when compared to the contemporary plans. Do you know if the replica ship is this bluff bowed? The plan below is listed at RMG for Enterprize, Surprise (1774) and 23 others of the class. The second one are the decks of the Surprise 1774. The last is Rose 1783.
Thanks again for sharing your build Reg
Allan
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Hello Alan,
And thank you for your kind comments. The Drawings of the Surprise decks of 1774 are very close to this A.L. kit. The lower hull in this kit is exactly the same profile as the drawings. However, my plank bending skill is not advanced sufficiently yet, and I caused the upper deck to be more "bluff bowed" than it should have been. The pre-shaped rail for the bow in the kit still fit without much effort though. I am enjoying the build and have learned skills that I never dreamed I'd have; such as: plank bending, tweezer control and 3D model making. Who would have thought? LOL!
 
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RegW said:
However, my plank bending skill is not advanced sufficiently yet,
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This takes some practice and information on how to spile or edge bend, but I think your planking looks really good.
 
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While the final coat of spar varnish is setting I started on the ship tops. As I have never worked with pieces this small I figured I would make templates to help get the tops accurate to the plans that came with the kit.

So I traced the outline of the actual pieces, scanned that and touched the image up before printing:
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After printing the templates I cut them and fitted to the top bases.
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As I attached each radial lug, I would cut the next section out of the template...
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Until the three tops were completed.
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So I've never worked with compound cut pieces that were this small before, but I'm generally satisfied with the results.
 
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