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Correct Vic. According to the 3D design (Ab Hoving) they were supposed to be clinker.
You can see that in the frames.
HIGH HOPES, WILD MEN AND THE DEVIL’S JAW - Willem Barentsz Kolderstok 1:50
You can see that in the frames.
So much for historically correct reproductions. Sometimes I think we make a big deal about something that we cannot establish as true. My daddy called it „a tempest in a teapot.“.
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With single tholes, did they use rope to keep oars connected and from falling loose if let go?
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Vic I am getting less and less convinced by any "reproduction". To me the double tholes look better and they are in line with Ab's interpretation. So for mine, I think I will stick to the oar locks on the bigger boat and go for the double tholes on the smaller one.
Sounds good. I wound up with single tholes. I couldn’t find wood dowel small enough to make them and didn’t want to spend another 20 hours carving and sanding some sticks. So I found some blackened belaying pins left over from my Black Pearl and cut off some of the bottoms. They fit pretty well.
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I think we've established before that there is no true or absolute "reproduction", it's an interpretation of a possibility, at best. The same applies to ie classical music; our musicians and orchestras play a contemporary interpretation; we don't know for certain which tempo was used, maybe an indication was given by the composer (and sometimes by editors/publishers).
That's not to say the discussion on these topics should not be held; I think the various insights and historical data coming to the surface during these debates aid in the decision making process of the memebers of this forum, with the added bonus of gaining valuable knowledge.
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Johan, yes. I also get bogged down by the seemingly endless permutations and no definitive answers, but the discussions should and must be held (if your aim is to stay as close as to what is known and what has been proven. In my case, I do want to know as much as I can - about the lifeboats in particular - for the simple reason that they were the means by which 12 men lives' had been saved. And if all 17 were healthy enough to have completed the trip, the little boats would have brought them home too. So, against all odds and as far as equipment goes, they were actually the true heroes of the story.
This is shocking Heinrich , I didn’t know it was that serious this lockdown .
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Thank you Robert. Yes, things are a bit topsy-turvy at the moment.
What I "learned" from the various images Ab Hoving has provided the tholes where not really pins like they are used nowadays. It was more a construction of two pieces of wood which had a "closing" angle between them (I hope you get what I mean) where the oar automatically would stay in place.
See my quick drawing hereunder:
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Thank you very much Hans. I understand perfectly.
This is what you have supplied on the larger boat and I can well understand that on the smaller boat that part would have just been impossible to work with.
I’m getting a good education here.
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Hello Everyone
I was still not satisfied with the whole windlass / lifeboat combination so I continued my research. In the end there was only one way of finding out.
The windlass drawing by Gerald de Weerdt (shipwright of the replica). I subsequently built the smaller of the two boats (in other words the sloop) to see how it would fit in the available space. The Kolderstok lifeboats are perfectly scaled according to Amsterdam feet which obviously differs from what we know as feet today. Am Amsterdam foot is 28, 31 cm.
And the answer:
It does not fit at all. Now I cannot say that De Weerdt made a mistake. He may have chosen not to provide for a sloop onboard, but the original ship certainly did. Of that there is undoubted proof - at least for the sloop. However, building a replica and not being able to display a vital part of the whole history of Willem Barentsz, is - in my opinion - a gross oversight.
I will not be following De Weerdt. I will certainly go the way of @Kolderstok Hans and Ab Hoving.
I was still not satisfied with the whole windlass / lifeboat combination so I continued my research. In the end there was only one way of finding out.
The windlass drawing by Gerald de Weerdt (shipwright of the replica). I subsequently built the smaller of the two boats (in other words the sloop) to see how it would fit in the available space. The Kolderstok lifeboats are perfectly scaled according to Amsterdam feet which obviously differs from what we know as feet today. Am Amsterdam foot is 28, 31 cm.
And the answer:
It does not fit at all. Now I cannot say that De Weerdt made a mistake. He may have chosen not to provide for a sloop onboard, but the original ship certainly did. Of that there is undoubted proof - at least for the sloop. However, building a replica and not being able to display a vital part of the whole history of Willem Barentsz, is - in my opinion - a gross oversight.
I will not be following De Weerdt. I will certainly go the way of @Kolderstok Hans and Ab Hoving.
In fact in Holland there were more feet:
- De Rijnlandse voet: 0,3140 m (een Rijnlandse voet is 12 Rijnlandse duimen)
- Amsterdamse voet: 0,2831 m (een Amsterdamse voet is 11 Amsterdamse duimen).
- Rotterdamse voet: 0,2823 m (een Rotterdamse is 11 Rotterdamse duimen)
- Blooise voet: 0,301 m
- ('s Hertogen)bossche voet: 0,287 m
- Honsbossche en Rijpse voet: 0,285 m
- Schouwse voet: 0,311 m
What about Zaandam?
(My daughter and her family live in Zaandam)They had clogs
(And worked with Amsterdam feet)
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I think there are about 34.000.000 feet in the Netherlands...
