HMAV BOUNTY - A “face lift “

A great job on those cannons Grant and a clever use of the freebie parts. I’ve also recently run into the gun port alignment issue. In my case a matter of not thinking ahead when I decided to replace the carronades. I wonder if dipping the barrels a little will deceive the eye once all the rope, line and general clutter is in place?
 
GrantTyler said:
Good afternoon

….continuing….
4. Stern:
The windows are made from modified gratings- very fragile had a few redo’s.

The rudder was sanded thinner and covered with veneer. I added some walnut seams and hoops for the chain.
I cut some brass sheets, blackened for the pintles and gundeons.
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5: Deck
I cut walnut to 4mm. Planked in a 4 butt pattern. I used a needle and pencil for the treenails. Plenty wood filler and sanding to get it smooth.
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Stem post : the rabbet was too large so filled with wood filler, painted black and redone. Unfortunately the filler kept chipping so some delicate painting in the future:
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The wales are correct size and follow the sheer of the deck. Unfortunately I could not get the shape of the stern 100% so the wales do not fit correctly at the stern.

The masts were all wrong-too big and the rake was completely out.
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To had to drill them out so some trickery will be required to seat the new ones.

So far cost 0.00ROTF.

I will send more updates after some more progress.
Cheers Grant
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Grant,

May I ask about the adhesive you used to stick the wooden planks to the plastic hull?

Bill
 
Ptèr said:
Just wondering how this model would look with sails
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Hi Pter
This is strictly one person's opinion, but I believe sails have ruined more fine models than improved their look. For scales smaller than about 1:12 there is no cloth in existence the weave of which is to scale. Canvas thread count is about 100 threads per inch. Even at 1:48 that is 4800 threads per inch and no such cloth exists. Sewing seams is the same, there is no way to make them to scale. For really good looking sails (again, just one opinion) those made from silk span as explained in the booklet by Dave Antscherl available at SeaWatch Books for $5US and the You Tube video by Tom Lauria seem to work very nicely.
Allan
 
WilliamM said:
Grant,

May I ask about the adhesive you used to stick the wooden planks to the plastic hull?

Bill
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Good morning Bill. The original hull was wood but varnished excessively. I sanded it down however the varnish was so deep in the wood I could not get it off. I used gorilla CA glue for all my planking. Cheers Grant
 
RogerD said:
A great job on those cannons Grant and a clever use of the freebie parts. I’ve also recently run into the gun port alignment issue. In my case a matter of not thinking ahead when I decided to replace the carronades. I wonder if dipping the barrels a little will deceive the eye once all the rope, line and general clutter is in place?
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Good morning Roger. Thank you- I always appreciate your comments and compliments. Unfortunately the cannon at the trunnion level is too high and the barrel slightly big from a scale point of view. It does help a little however aesthetically not so good. I am thinking about rigging them in the “reload” position- never seen this but may look cool. Cheers Grant
 
RogerD said:
A great job on those cannons Grant and a clever use of the freebie parts. I’ve also recently run into the gun port alignment issue. In my case a matter of not thinking ahead when I decided to replace the carronades. I wonder if dipping the barrels a little will deceive the eye once all the rope, line and general clutter is in place?
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Good morning Roger. Thank you- I always appreciate your comments and compliments. Unfortunately the cannon at the trunnion level is too high and the barrel slightly big from a scale point of view. It does help a little however aesthetically not so good. I am thinking about rigging them in the “reload” position- never seen this but may look cool. Cheers Grant
 
GrantTyler said:
Good morning Roger. Thank you- I always appreciate your comments and compliments. Unfortunately the cannon at the trunnion level is too high and the barrel slightly big from a scale point of view. It does help a little however aesthetically not so good. I am thinking about rigging them in the “reload” position- never seen this but may look cool. Cheers Grant
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ROTF ROTF Roger is special he gets a double replyROTF.
 
AllanKP69 said:
Hi Pter
This is strictly one person's opinion, but I believe sails have ruined more fine models than improved their look. For scales smaller than about 1:12 there is no cloth in existence the weave of which is to scale. Canvas thread count is about 100 threads per inch. Even at 1:48 that is 4800 threads per inch and no such cloth exists. Sewing seams is the same, there is no way to make them to scale. For really good looking sails (again, just one opinion) those made from silk span as explained in the booklet by Dave Antscherl available at SeaWatch Books for $5US and the You Tube video by Tom Lauria seem to work very nicely.
Allan
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True story Allan however my choice is 3 fold :
1- On ships with complex/busy rigging I prefer the look of no sails, although there are some guys who pull off outstanding sails on these ships
2 - I am no sailmaker
3 - I am lazyROTF.Making sails for me is not so much fun.
Cheers Grant
P.S @RDN1954 (Johan) I will not be convinced…;)
 
Ptèr said:
I had to read a lot to get to the last page, between the pictures and a lot of compliments from fellow modelers, I don't believe this is the same ship you have started with. You just bought a new kit and started over! My belate condolances for the loss of your friend and colleague, no words for it really...

Really first class work and your skills have improved enormously. Just wondering how this model would look with sails ....don't you?
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Good morning Peter. So good to hear from you and thank you kindly. You know how these ships go, I started out wanting to do a quick makeover and win a bet. Well now I have been captured by the modelling demon. Re Sails see my previous post. Not this time ;) .
Thank you for condolences for Theo (Nathi) he is missed greatly by myself, clients and his colleagues.
Cheers Grant
 
GrantTyler said:
On ships with complex/busy rigging I prefer the look of no sails
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We are the same in our thinking. I have included sails on schooner models when asked to do so but so far I have not had to add them on square riggers, thank goodness. With all the beautifully rigged lines many model builders take the time and care to add it seems a shame to cover them with what looks like burlap sacks in most cases. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of contemporary models at RMG, Musée National, Rigsarkivet, AGO, and Preble Hall to name a few settings, and a rigged model with sails is pretty rare compared to rigged models without sails.
Allan
 
Peter Voogt said:
Perhaps think out of the box and make them from tissue
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Thanks Peter]
Silk span is essentially a paper as is tissue and very nice to work with for making seams, reinforcments, etc. I did a search but cannot find the samples you mention here at SoS. If you would so kind as to give a link it would be greatly appreciated. :)
Allan
 
Good afternoon

Not much to show. The chimney for the stove and the two small gratings at the fore. I cleaned up the old chimney, added the ring at the base and blackened.

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I fitted the chimney base the wrong way around. The longer side of the framing should face bow to stern….hmmmm, tsk, tut tut…
I am running out of wood now - my walnut scrap pile and laminates are running low…
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Still a 0.00 spend tho Explosion
Cheers Grant

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Peter Voogt said:
Her on —> Don his Discovery <— and on —> My Bluenose <—.
And used on —> Johan his Fokker Spin <—. On ‘old fashion’ model planes they are also using often the Silkspan you mentioned.
Regards, Peter
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Initially I was very reluctant to use tissue on my Spin, but… Tissue is quite workable, provided one is willing to spare the time, also, using water-diluted woodglue greatly helps to maintain shape and gives the tissue some robustness.
Making sails of tissue is still up for debate as far as I’m concerned, but Peter has shown on his Bluenose that it’s feasible.
 
The sails on the Discovery are furled so I don't really think they qualify as "sails". They look OK from a few feet away but there is no detail like seaming, bolt ropes etc. I wanted the Discovery to look like she did when she was in this area so bare poles wouldn't cut it and like Alan said sails are almost impossible to scale.
 
GrantTyler said:
True story Allan however my choice is 3 fold :
1- On ships with complex/busy rigging I prefer the look of no sails, although there are some guys who pull off outstanding sails on these ships
2 - I am no sailmaker
3 - I am lazyROTF.Making sails for me is not so much fun.
Cheers Grant
P.S @RDN1954 (Johan) I will not be convinced…;)
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Disregarding points 2 and 3, my opinion (I wrote this somewhere quite a while ago); when looking at a ship model without sails feels like looking at an aircraft model without propellers or wings.
It even goes as far as when visiting an aircraft museum and seeing a jet without it’s engine is highly disappointing.
From an appearance point of view, having sails, furled or hoisted, may give a nice backdrop for the standing and running rigging.
Having said that, still my opinion and to everyone his own.
 
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